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Ephedra, ephedrine, Ma Huang



Summary


Ephedra, also called Ma Huang, is a naturally occurring substance derived from botanicals. Its principal active ingredient is ephedrine. It is a dietary supplement that was used by people to lose weight. But, using it carries significant health risks. It has been banned by the FDA.


Description


Ephedra is a shrub-like plant that is found in desert regions in central Asia and other parts of the world. It is a stimulant containing the herbal form of Ephedrine.

This stimulant promotes weight loss by increasing your body's metabolism and thus burning more calories. It was also use an an energy booster and for increased athletic performance. Ephedrine is also found in some over-the-counter Asthma medications.


History


Ephedra use was popular in the mid to late 1990s and into the new millennium. On February 17, 2003 Baltimore Orioles' baseball player, Steve Bechler died. His death was linked to Ephedra use. By the end of 2003, the FDA started cracking down on Ephedra.

The FDA cracked down on Ephedra, requiring that warning labels be placed on bottles. It was linked to the death of a professional baseball player, Baltimore Orioles' Steve Bechler.


Criticism


Ephedrine has been shown to have serious adverse effects, include hypertension (elevated blood pressure), palpitations (rapid heart rate), neurophathy (nerve damage), myopathy (muscle injury), psychosis, stroke, memory loss, heart rate irregularities, insomnia, nervousness, tremors, seizures, heart attacks, and death.

Also, studies have shown that Ephedrine-based supplements only provide short-term weight loss.




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  23-Jan-2006 11:20am created by bill
  23-Mar-2006 9:06am last update by bill


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kiddo
posted 18-May-2009 1:05pm

you can also do what i'm going to do when they get here in the mail and plant some ephedra sinica plants which are the plant that contains the ephedrine alkaloids in it. then when it is harvested you can make a tea out of it or mix the ground up stems with your coffee to make your own diet concoction. i'll also let everyone know how it went. but the seeds are cheap and the growing is easy so why not give it a try. i know i will.
j.s.
posted 17-Jun-2009 3:21am

i tried rip fuel,speed stack,( it was favorite)and so on. and as long i did it in moderation,it never resulted on any bad side effects. and it for some reason or other
i felt yo much the"jitters",i would`v eat something high in proteins and it would balance me. trust it works!
Anonymous
posted 30-Jun-2009 10:51pm

Well, I remember riding the ephedra train a few years ago. My weight had ballooned to about 260 lbs (I'm 6' tall) from 180 lbs when I was in my early 20's. I kept a regular diet and excercised, but for some bizarre reason, my body would not go below 220 lbs (still unhealthy and I still had fat) over the course of 6 months. So, I found the solution in Xenadrine. Reading the instructions and ingesting the minimal amount of the drug, I went down from 220 lbs to 170 lbs in the next 6 months. The only side effects I had were occassional dizziness and restlessness. I bought 3 more bottles of it, and along with the same diet and reduced exercise/intake of Xenadrine, kept that weight for 2 years! I must honestly say that the drug worked wonderfully for me, with little or no side effects. However, once they banned the drug (due to some retarded steroid using baseball player who OD'd on it), I ballooned backup to 240 lbs, then worked twice as hard working out and dieting to get back down to 175 lbs two years ago. However, due to finishing my BA in Chemistry at UCSB, I have since gone back up to 215 lbs. Again, I wish that they would allow the drug for use in prescription weight loss pills for people considered obese or larger.
MICHELLLEY
posted 2-Jul-2009 12:57am

WELL I RECENTLY BOUGHT A BOTTLE OF HYDROXY SLIM,AND THE FIRST TIME I TOOK IT MADE ME FEEEL JITTERY,AND MY HEART WAS RACING REALLY FAST AT NIGHT! I CAN SAY I GOT SCARED BECAUSE I HAD ALREADY READ THE WARNINGS,AND I ONLY TOOK HALF OF ONE!! SO THAN I GAVE SOME AWAY JUST TO SEEE MAYBE IT WAS ONLY MY BODY,BECAUSE EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT RIGHT? MY FRIEND HAS BEEN TAKING IT FOR ABOUT A WEEEK AND LOST 5 POUNDS AND DIDNT REALLY FEEL WHAT I FELT!I KNOW I WAS MAD..:(BUT IT SEEMED TO WORK FOR HER, I SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN HER BODY SINCE I SEE HER EVERYDAY! SO I DECIDED TO START TAKING THEM AGAIN TODAY AND I TOOK HALF AGAIN AND FEEL FINE!! IM SOOO HAPPY!!! TRY MAYBE IT WILL WORK FOR U TOO!!
Anonymous
posted 10-Jul-2009 5:21am

im starting 30mg pure epherdrine tomorrow
do they work on there own?
and whats the best doseage
ps
i dont want any one tellin me its gonna kill me and all that crap..
iv researched it fully jus need to no if it works alone. thanks!
Anonymous
posted 23-Jul-2009 10:05am

I've been taking ephedrine Hcl (formerly known as mini thins / mini two-way) for the past 20yrs. Now all of a sudden thanks to some jerkoffs that decided to smoke them, nobody can purchase ephedrine in any form anywhere unless it's the 1/2 dose Pimatene Tablets. 8 tablets for 100mg is prohibitive at $12/box of 60!
Even the herbal web-stores that advertise herbal ephedrine often list their product as out of stock indefinatly or it redirects to some triple-dose caffine tablet.
Is there anyone anywhere that sells legitimate ephedrine tablets or raw stems? or are they all false links & abandoned pages now???
Anonymous
posted 2-Aug-2009 1:23am

is superdrine really the same as exenadrine?
asa123
posted 8-Aug-2009 1:45am

where can i buy ephedrine?
Anonymous
posted 9-Aug-2009 5:01am

I have gotten some Sida Cordifolia which says it's 6% Alkaloid. Does anyone know if that would be considered real ephedra, and if so, with the 6% alkaloid what the potency of this is compared to older ephedra?
TC
posted 12-Aug-2009 4:46pm

Can someone just please tell me where online to get ephedra. I use to take metabolife 365 and it worked and now I can't get it. Where can I get diet pills with the "real" ephedra like back in the day?
AnonymousCA
posted 14-Aug-2009 9:37pm

I got my ephedrine HCL 8mg tab from www.gorillajack.com They are about $4.50 for 50 tabs and shipping to the US is $15.
Anonymous
posted 16-Aug-2009 9:53am

it says on google that in 2009 the ban on ephedra has been lifted in the US. so does anyone know wher we can get some genuine ephedra now? so sick of these fake products.
Anonymous
posted 18-Aug-2009 12:15am

you can still buy most of the ephedra based diet pills over the counter in south africa.
Anonymous
posted 14-Sep-2009 10:09pm

i have a question!!!! I have been taking ephedra broceze ones for many years and want to find something else. but which one?
Anonymous
posted 22-Oct-2009 10:15pm

would taking 12.5 grams of ephedrine help me lose 5-10 pounds if i take that dosage once or twice a day. I am 114 pounds. I will also excersice
Anonymous
posted 30-Oct-2009 11:20pm

I love ephedra in the yellow jacket form and i want it back! The only people that got hurt by it are people who abused it! it helped me lose weight and i havent found any other pill that comes close to being like that yet and i have been looking since it was banned FDA BRING IT BACK PLEASE!!!!!!
Chemist4Thermogenics
posted 1-Nov-2009 10:05am

Ephedra extract vs. alkaloids- what's the difference?

Ok, well I must clear up this alkaloid business. I am a chemist who works in the supplement manufacturing business. I know some of the posts I am talking about were earlier in the thread, but here is the break down.

There are several different species of ephedra.

Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) <-high alkaloid content in extracts

Sida Cordifolia <- less alkaloid content

Ephedra Nevadensis <- little to no alkaloid content

+ more

Herbs in general are used in many different ways. For instance no extraction would be referred to as a raw herb powder which is just the dried and milled plant material. This is a highly non-concentrated material. An extract uses a chemical based solvent to "extract" the actives (in this case the alkaloid content) Extracts are much more concentrated in alkaloid content. These can come in 10:1, ratios or percentages thus with ephedra around 8% alkaloid content.

Basically when we refer to an extract it is a concentrated active material that has been drawn/extracted by chemical means out of the raw herb.

In the coming months you will notice ephedra sinica extracts to be obsolete (alkaloid). Right now distributors are able to sell off remaining (old) stock of ephedra sinica products. The ban is in full effect, over the past few years since the initial ban the ruling was still up in the air after it was over turned. Now the FDA has made a stern decision that the ban is 100% in full effect. Many manufacturers were raided such as hi-tech Pharm. and ephedra extracts where confiscated. It is illegal for a manufacturer to market any ephedra alkaloid product as a weight loss or diet aid. Many manufacturers have been selling products with "ephedra extract" however it is generally ephedra nevadensis or some other species with no alkaloid content whatsoever. This is simply to fool the consumer; the FDA has a new rule that products that contain the words "Ephedra Extract" must state that there is no alkaloid content. If you see a label that says Ephedra extract (leaves) You know it is bogus and is not likely to contain any alkaloids because ephedra sinica does not have leaves. They use this as a marketing tool to make people think they are getting something they are not. You would be surprised with the things that we see in the lab.
Disgruntled Woman
posted 25-Nov-2009 11:46pm

Let's face it, the real Ephedra is gone for good and i've spent hundreds on ephedrine replacements claiming to be the real deal only to be dissappointed. NOTHING and I mean NOTHING suppresses the appetite like Ephedra (ROOT ALKALOID). I took it for over 10 years, never had a probkem. It even helped with my allergies. Now, the industry is losing millions because everyone, by now, realizes that NOTHING works like it. The people that got hurt while taking it were no doubt abusing it and taking it with loads of caffeine and aspirin. I took the NVA PURE EPHEDRINE with NO caffeine or additives and NEVER had a problem. Now, my allergies are back and so's the weight. Oh well, my search is over. I'm ready to ban together with other disgruntled people and get something happening!! YOU WIT ME???? o.k then let's post some suggestions on HOW we can make something happen??
Annonymous
posted 25-Nov-2009 11:51pm

I bought the Energy Nutrition brand of PURE MA HUANG, and it did sort of work like the old ephedrine but it yields only 10 mg of alkaloid. You have to take 5 to equal what you need per day. I think it works, or maybe it's all in my mind. Has anyone tried this?
Super Stoked Dude
posted 30-Nov-2009 4:35pm

Dear Disgruntled Woman,

News flash: Ephedra is back! Now you can purchase pharmaceutical grade ephedrine from CANADA.

Word to your mother.
Nissa
posted 22-Dec-2009 3:11pm

Where do you get ephedrine in Canada? What stores?
Anonymous
posted 27-Jan-2010 10:25pm

I'll sign a petition as well.....I agree that we should be able to take whatever we want- as american citizen's- we can practice any religion that we want and we all know the dangers of some of them out there....worse than this stuff.....if we are willing to take on any potential risks....who gives a f___
Anonymous
posted 16-Feb-2010 1:43am

IT'S THE CAFFEINE THAT GIVES HEART ATTACKS NOT EPHEDRA SO BE SURE THAT THE REPLACEMENTS YOU ARE USING ARE CASSEINE FREE OR YOUR PRESSURE WILL BE THROUGHT THE ROOF. ALSO, NO ONE WILL EVER GET EPHEDRINE AGAIN UNTIL THE BAN IS LIFTED. THE EPHEDRINE HCL IS MAN MADE EPHEDRINE AND YOU MAY FEEL A LITTLE APPETITE SUPRRESSINGEFFECT BUT NOTHING LIKE THE REAL MA HUANG.
Anonymous
posted 16-Feb-2010 1:44am

I MEANT TO SAY "CAFFEINE FREE" NOT CASSEINE
Silvia
posted 17-Feb-2010 9:27am

ROgaec I am always excited to visit this blog in the evenings.Please churning hold the contents. It is very entertaining.
need help
posted 26-Feb-2010 9:27am

So after reading all of this - which one do I want to buy - I know I don't want the extra caffine but do need a kicker to help with weight loss. Can I buy what I need at a local store like a GNC? Thanks for the info
billy
posted 28-Feb-2010 5:35pm

come on people,have u tried fruit 4 energy?a bowl of oats with jelly?cardio?we cant use ephedra because of this right here?quite simply either work hard or go to jail.
billy
posted 28-Feb-2010 5:44pm

basically everything in moderation will give you energy.even ephedra.
Anonymous
posted 12-Mar-2010 3:11pm

They have the REAL deal at TWS warehouse! I bought some, got the next day, and it is REAL! Good luck! Thank Heaven!!!!
Anonymous
posted 15-Mar-2010 11:35pm

how if its banned.its ephedrine that you have.because it says its ephedra dont mean its real.white willow bark is aspirin.supplement business is very unregulated.
Anonymous
posted 24-Mar-2010 12:52pm

gross
Anonymous
posted 28-Mar-2010 6:19am

i have asthma and am trying to get just ma huang without any caffeine, can anyone help me with this?
Anonymous
posted 28-Mar-2010 6:22am

we're all gonna die anyway
Anonymous
posted 31-Mar-2010 5:42pm

I wish we could have this available again. I was on Ma haung for over 10 years and I was so very healthy.
Anonymous
posted 1-Apr-2010 6:58pm

@asthma person...try find ma huang tea.sip as needed.dont however confuse asthma attack with panic attack.you may have to import tea btw.1 last thing ... when it comes to ur lungs be careful.buy an air purifier and check the filter after one months use and ul c my point.
you want X RFA-1 ORIGINAL HERE IS HOW
posted 4-Apr-2010 8:57pm

OK THIS IS REAL TALK I TOOK X RFA-1 BEORE THE BANN AND IT WAS A fudgeING MIRACLE BUT ANYWAYZ I TRIED OTHER crap NOTHING WORKED THEN 3 WEEKS AGO I ORDERD SOME STUFF AND I STARTED TAKING IT 100MG A PILL THEN I COMPARED IT TO A OLD X RFA-1 BOTTLE AND FOUND OUT IT HAD 335MG OF MA-HUANG AND THIS STUFF HAD 100MG SO INSTEAD OF TAKING 2 PILLS TWICE A DAY I STARTED TAKING 3 TWICE A DAY TO MAKE IT 300MG AND THERE IT WAS BABY XENADRINE RFA-1 ALL OVER AGAIN HA HA HA AND THE NAME OF THE STUFF IS XIMO AND THEY TOOK OUT THE STUFF THAT SPEad your heart and raised blood press this is the new improved xRFA-1 SEE FOR YOUR SELF OR STAY A FAT LARD DEPRESSED AND INSECURE
VantEphedra
posted 10-Apr-2010 3:21pm

I suffer from Asthma, is tea or ephedra pill(w/o caffine) more helpful? May have to drive up to Canada?? Anybody know where to get???
Anonymous
posted 10-Jun-2010 12:47pm

I think the FDA has a deal with the diet industry so we will never lose weight with the crap they are selling us..but we never give up and keep spending our money on stuff that doesn't work. And since they know that they are getting rich...very rich. And us poor fatties are still spending our money and we are still fat.
Anonymous
posted 12-Jun-2010 11:43pm

You can still get ephedrine at the pharmacies, its just regulated how much you can buy so you have to show your id every time you purchase it.
spyke130
posted 17-Jun-2010 9:20am

look the FDA and the entire government is corrupt. nobody gets anything in this country without making money, and you cannot patent marijuana or MaHuang for the same reasons.....they occur in nature, and you CANNOT patent what grows naturally.

having gotten that out of the way, the CHinese have managed to OVER POPULATE THIER COUNTRY WITHOUT BENEFIT OF "WESTERN MEDICINE" SO THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW SOMETHING.

So all you idiot doctors out there need to shut your holes. You don't know everything and quite honestly, this is a free country...so far, but I must say taking the doctors down a notch or two with Obama-Care may be a good thing for the arrogance of some of them.

just so you know, I came within 8 HOURS of loosing my infant son to an idiot who wanted to wait for a virus? after I argued my point to the head of pediatric surgery at Mott's Childrens hospital, they found what I thought was right, and apologised to me, and I NEVER saw that doctor, anywhere in that hospital again. SO god bless the doctors who care for their patients and to *(^%^$ with those who care for thier money! and this includes the FDA, and the pharma companies they are in bed with....butt banging each other!
Anonymous
posted 26-Jun-2010 9:56am

I have Psoriasis for 20 years. I took the original Hydroxycut 8 years ago and lost weight through diet, exercise and tons of extra energy. I always took the recommnended dosage and didn't abuse it. I also drank tons of water as directed. My Psoriais disappeared completely, which at one point was one every part of my body and really embarassing. Even to the point that I was able to get naked in the middle the day at a bar in Key West. I have been racking my brain for the past 6 years to try and figure out why I didn't have Psoriasis that summer and just realized that it was the alkalizing effects of Ephedra. My skin is horrible now and I have tried everything from Holistic measures to whole food crazy diets. I am going to try this Ximo stuff or the Tea form or find someone in Canada to send it to me.
i luv ephedra
posted 15-Jul-2010 7:27pm

i have 24 boxes of stackers 2 lite with 12.5 mg of the good stuff for sale or 12.99 per box plus shipping thanks ct06902@hotmail.com
Anonymous
posted 16-Aug-2010 4:01pm

You people got to get this straight, YOU MUST DRINK LOTS AND LOTS OF WATER WHEN TAKING EPHEDRA THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DAY!!!! period

stupid people take the stuff dont drink water get dehydrated and collapse. If people would just use half their brain and common sense, nothing would have ever happened and ephedra would be still easily available.

Its always dumb people that have to ruin a good thing. Then again that how everything is nowadays "a good thing will never last"
Eponymous
posted 4-Sep-2010 11:21am

ephedrine 20-25mg, with caffeine 200mg is an amazing appetite suppresant. Just practice good hydration, don't use it if you have elevated blood pressure. It works for me, but i think it builds up in my system because eventually my sleep begins to suffer
Anonymous
posted 9-Sep-2010 3:37pm

I just bought ephedrine otc as asthma medicine. You have to ask the pharmasist for it at walgreens and its only 9.00. Just add caffeine and asprin and create your own stacker. Trust me I havent felt this good since 2003.
ephedra
posted 27-Oct-2010 12:01am

Zenalean Pro has the same key ingredients as the original Xenadrine RFA-1. It has the Ephedrine Alkaloids just like the original Xenadrine RFA-1 and will provide the same results and effects. Just follow the same dosage of 2 pills at a time with an empty stomach. You can get the Zenalean Pro at www.thatswholesale.com
Anonymous
posted 2-Nov-2010 6:33pm

A product shouldn't be banned just because someone can't stop using it or is too stupid to follow the proper instructions or know whether or not their health can tolerate it. Have a little personal responsibility! If we start with ephedra, then let's ban ice cream because diabetics eat it even though they know they shouldn't and fat people eat too much and can't stop. And cars too. Some people drive too fast and don't wear their seat belt. How about this? We pad all the idiots in the world in rubber foam and put them on a floaty somewhere on an island of clouds so they can't hurt themselves and make the rest of us responsible for it and suffer the consequences of having things banned that actually work when used CORRECTLY!
ephedrine
posted 29-Dec-2010 1:14pm

True what Chemist4Thermogenics says. Fortunately, you can still get the original discontinued Ephedra Extract, Ma Huang and Sida Cordifolia products with Ephedrine Alkaloids until sold out at www.thatswholesale.com

"Ephedra extract vs. alkaloids- what's the difference?

Ok, well I must clear up this alkaloid business. I am a chemist who works in the supplement manufacturing business. I know some of the posts I am talking about were earlier in the thread, but here is the break down.

There are several different species of ephedra.

Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) <-high alkaloid content in extracts

Sida Cordifolia <- less alkaloid content

Ephedra Nevadensis <- little to no alkaloid content

+ more

Herbs in general are used in many different ways. For instance no extraction would be referred to as a raw herb powder which is just the dried and milled plant material. This is a highly non-concentrated material. An extract uses a chemical based solvent to "extract" the actives (in this case the alkaloid content) Extracts are much more concentrated in alkaloid content. These can come in 10:1, ratios or percentages thus with ephedra around 8% alkaloid content.

Basically when we refer to an extract it is a concentrated active material that has been drawn/extracted by chemical means out of the raw herb.

In the coming months you will notice ephedra sinica extracts to be obsolete (alkaloid). Right now distributors are able to sell off remaining (old) stock of ephedra sinica products. The ban is in full effect, over the past few years since the initial ban the ruling was still up in the air after it was over turned. Now the FDA has made a stern decision that the ban is 100% in full effect. Many manufacturers were raided such as hi-tech Pharm. and ephedra extracts where confiscated. It is illegal for a manufacturer to market any ephedra alkaloid product as a weight loss or diet aid. Many manufacturers have been selling products with "ephedra extract" however it is generally ephedra nevadensis or some other species with no alkaloid content whatsoever. This is simply to fool the consumer; the FDA has a new rule that products that contain the words "Ephedra Extract" must state that there is no alkaloid content. If you see a label that says Ephedra extract (leaves) You know it is bogus and is not likely to contain any alkaloids because ephedra sinica does not have leaves. They use this as a marketing tool to make people think they are getting something they are not. You would be surprised with the things that we see in the lab."
Anonymous
posted 6-Mar-2011 1:52pm

The FDA had to make headway for Alli. I haven't heard anything good about it as of yet. I wonder what their next ploy will be. Of course they are in cahoots with the diet industry. They could NOT have something out there that actually worked. It's so obvious! Why else wouldn't they ban other things that kill people who abuse them? It's because they are making money off of those. We, the people, have no choices. They only make us believe we do. We get to choose from THEIR choices. I took the original Formula One by Alliance USA. I lost 86lbs and never felt or looked better. I took them as directed. Never one bad side effect. Well, if you call a little faster heart rate a bad side effect then ok. It felt good to know that my heart was working and felt no negative feeling with it. I was in a good mood all the time. Of course I was, I was losing weight every day! It made me want to do good things. It just plain gave me hope and a much better outlook on life. What a terrible drug huh? It has, obviously, enriched so many countless people's lives. I'm not saying that the ban on ephedrine has ruined my life, but it would certainly be very much enhanced if I were still able to take it. Are we really a FREE country??? From these actions, I think not. They are not "protecting" us, they are controlling us.
Anonymous
posted 19-Jun-2011 7:35pm

yall would lose your minds if i said i know where to get 30mg in pill form 60 count for cheep
Jesi
posted 13-Jul-2011 11:36pm

I uses the orginal Ephedra .... it was great! I ate right and exercised, lost a whole person in weight... now after hitting 30 and having baby, I found my metabolism was very slow... I have tried everything !!! Every new pill out there along with eating right and exercising ... not a pound has shed ... Im about to stop eating all togeather at this point... If anyone knows of anything similiar to the orginal pill, please send me the info to my email at darkangelhmd@hotmail.com .... I would be forever grateful
Jesi
posted 13-Jul-2011 11:58pm

indysurfn



would you be able to email me info to help

darkangelhmd@hotmail.com
Miss Piggy
posted 9-Aug-2011 4:37pm

i dropped 30 lbs in a matter of 3 months using orginal Stacker 2. I'm so fat now and so disappointed that finally a product worked for me, and now I cannot get it. When will I ever be able to find a real ephedra pill that works? I didn't have side effects, just amazing fat loss and felt so good about myself.
fatmanmark
posted 9-Aug-2011 11:21pm

This is a great blog of ephedra supporters. I too am a fan and prior to the ban, used various products all of which killed appetite, kicked me in the keester and ripped off of the weight. I have gained/lost as much weight as all of the fatties hanging around the weight watchers kitchens over the years. I could write a book and actually was giving that some serious thought. My first round started at 279 pounds and completed at 149 pounds in just 5 months. I've done this a few times over the last 30 years but none as successful as the punch ephedra provided. I utilized stacker but found up your gas absolutely amazing and after some initial weight loss it was easy to get out there jogging and running and the weight literally melted off. Was able to get the old fat bones into incredible shape and instead of moving my lard around the corner I was able to quickly get to the 5 k then 10k then 15k levels. And got to the 1/2 marathon levels..... Since the ban......Life and stress happen and fatness is back with a vengeance....those fat cells are getting the last laugh with the ban in full effect. I truly don't eat all that much but getting below 200 is a real challenge evern with some moderate exercise.... Got down to 180 recently but it was impossible to maintain it even while living on cruddy rabbit foods and wearing running shoes 24x7. Very hard to watch people consume big calories and then saddle up to the tv....and still avoid buying new expandawaist fatboy pants.
We'll i am trying once again to get below 200 and have been starving the weight off until i can get to that level and don some running shoes again. I am going to try optimized Saffron with Satiereal.....I've used Ally, works ok but you need to avoid anything with fat or you will blow out your diaper....that said,if you avoid fat then what do you need to drop a half a hundred on it!! We'll see what this Satiereal will do......Up your Gas was top of the fatness meltdown class for me. Perhaps a roadtrip to canada or mexico is the only way to "feel the ephedra burn" once again.....Lots of other wannabe's out there that do nothing but serve as a weight loss tool for your wallet.....
thatswholesale.com
posted 17-Aug-2011 1:43am


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MaxBench
posted 24-Sep-2011 6:15am

Does anyone know bout this www.thatswholesale.com crap? Is it legit or should I ignore it?
Ima a truck driver and if anyone also knows if canada still has ephedra everywhere then ima start
Taking loads back and forth across the border from detroit just so I won't have to worry bout BS web sites!
I use to take ephedra everyday one hour before work ended that way by time I got to the gym it was trash time! Oh yah I trashed my muscles Monday through Tuesday for an hour a day I was ripped and ripped fuel was my pill of choice!
Its been 10 years now since I've even stepped foot back into the gym because of a bad bike accident
Because by the time I finally got healed I've gained to much wait and ephedra was banned righht as I was getting back on my feet totally sucked for us all I see lol!
I was a big gym rat up till the accident at 6ft and a shredded 176 pounds I could pound out a 1RM of 305 pounds on the bench press and yah I was taking protien, creatine, the branch chain amino acids with lglutamine
MaxBench
posted 24-Sep-2011 6:19am

Damn android keys grrrr I wasn't finished but anyways the massive pump I was getting and adrenaline rush to get that much weight up was from the ripped fuel I was taking with tons of ephedra, probably a lil more then I shoulda been taking but hey I was healthy safe and super strong and damn do I miss it 8-(
So help me out if you know the ansewer to my prior questions above before I accidently submitted the first part lol
MaxBench
posted 24-Sep-2011 6:22am

O wow I'm an idiot! I ment Monday through Friday lmao I must have something special going on tuesday
amber2129
posted 30-Oct-2011 3:35pm

I also used the Xcenedrine years ago and it worked wonders. Since then I my mom has passed, I've gotten divorced and had another child. I have also put on the 60 pounds I lost including another 40 but when reserching what other diet pills would work I have found nothing. I am at the point now I will become anerexic if I don't find something soon. If anyone knows of anything I can buy online that works as good as the Xcenedrine from years ago please get back to me as soon as possible.I will try anything at this point. Email- mbr_wrrn@yahoo.com
Anonymous
posted 29-Nov-2011 3:52pm

Look up ultra lean extreme
Ally
posted 3-Jan-2012 1:21pm

Does anyone no how many mg of ephedrine were in the original
diet pills (like metabolife)

You can purchase ephedrine HCL 8mg as a nasal decongestant
And do an ECA stack (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin)

I was just wanting to no how many mg per dosage someone should
take for the best results.

Thanks :)
Anonymous
posted 2-Feb-2012 7:04am

I also too xenadrine when I was 19-20 yrs old after I had my first child. I was a size 18. The biggest id ever been in my life and on my 5'1 frame, well lets just say I didnt want to leave the house. Well I started taking xenadrine. I walked on the treadmill for three miles everyday no matter what and I had a job that required energy, cleaning houses and buildings. Washing walls from top to bottom. It seemed no matter what I still found the energy to work out. The only time I ever felt a bad side effect was if I sat around after taking it. Its like all that pent up energy and then staying still. Of course, your going to have bad reaction. Lol it just made me mean. I'd work out and then fill great!! Inreally wish we could buy ma haung again. I've tried caffeine and.other energy drugs and they didn't work or id get jittery and feel sick to my stomach. The ma haung also received my allergy problems extremely. I mean I blow my nose constantly now, its always stuffy, before I didn't have to blow.my nose hardly ever!! I really believe that the people who died or were injured supposedly by ma Huang, had underlying health issues and abused the drug. Its funny tho, Tylenol can cause sever liver damage and yet we can buy that?? Wtf
Anonymous
posted 2-Feb-2012 7:09am

Oops lots of typos .. Stupid smart phone
Anonymous
posted 9-Feb-2012 3:36am

Just talk to your neighborhood meth dealer. It's just as effective at curbing appetite and is somewhat less damaging to your cardio-vascular system. Lol, of course it's addicting.... Lol! Ephedrine is meth with an alpha hydroxyl group, which keeps
It from effectively passing the blood-brain barrier. As a result, it sits in the bloodstream causing increased heart rate which, overtime, can lead to increased risk of heart attack and stroke. Meth, and regular amphetamIne, do cross the blood brain barier and so are slightly less likely to cause problems if taken in sensible doses. I couldn't stand ephedrine or pseudo ephedrine. Stuff made me ill. It is possible to use amphetamines for weight loss with a doctors supervision, but most docs are too afraid to get sued and so offer the oh so much safer alternative of cutting you open and removing half of your stomach. Lol! Good luck getting your ephedra back.
Jack Palance
posted 15-Feb-2012 1:48pm

If you have addictive tendences, or are sickly or mentally unstable don't mess with stimulants other than coffee and mountain dew. Who isn't tired of all the ramifications from screwballs acting stupid - like that Oriole's pitcher who died due to his ignorance. Ephedra, Ma-Haung, Guarana, etc are not intended as lifestyle substances. They are better used in moderation. I was known to use them before a long bike ride or other mildly strenuous circumstances. Took half an accutrim in 1993 before unloading a Uhaul. Guarana was banned for several years (2005 to 2006?) before the $&%* holes put it back on the market. A few small containers from ALDI's (yes, Aldi) with 12mg? G-tablet have lasted me TEN YEARS !!! half tablet is average dose a few times each month if I didn't get enough sleep but need an hour or two of stimulant. DON'T BAN substances due to freak incidents with morons who probably can't wipe themselves correctly. Their eradication strengthens the gene pool.
DMCT
posted 26-May-2012 3:02pm

I took ephedra from GNC. There wasnt anything added to it. I lost 30lbs in 5mths. It was great. Kept the weight off for a number of years. I had stopped using the product when they took it off the shelf from GNC. The bad side of taking this was, it brought my blood sugar too low. Be careful of anything with this drug!
Missing ephedrine
posted 28-May-2012 3:10pm

I have read so many posts that I can relate to! I did so well on ephedrine when it was legal. I was in the best shape of my life and I felt great about myself. Needless to say that is no longer the case. I am 40lbs over weight and I have TRULY tried everything. I lose a little then gain it back if I am not on a treadmill ALL day long. My dr. Is thinking about putting me on phen-phen (crossing my fingers there!) I found a site that sells 8mg decongestant forms of ephedrine. How much of this should you take and if anyone has tried it, does it work? There are so many phonys out there and I am tired of wasting money for fakes. Any suggestions?
thatswholesale
posted 11-Aug-2012 7:00am

You can still get the original formula thermogenic diets with ephedrine (ephedrine alkaloids which is natural) from www.thatswholesale.com
The decongestants use synthetic ephedrine called Ephedrine HCL or Sulfate. Those now come in small doses and are mixed with junk guaifenesin which may cause side effects. For human consumption, the natural form which is Ephedrine Alkaloids is best. You have to try the strongest in the market which is the Yellow Power. It has 25mg ephedrine alkaloids and 300mg of caffeine. If you like to make your own stack then I recommend the Pure Ephedrine PE25. You can add your own caffeine or drink it with coffee. Science has proven that the aspirin is not necessary in the stack. You will still lose weight, be energized and not feel as hungry as before. Remember, caffeine enhances the power and effectiveness of ephedrine so the caffeine is essential. It has a 1 + 1 = 3 effect when taken together with ephedrine.
thatswholesale.com
posted 11-Aug-2012 7:08am

For Missing Ephedrine. You have not tried everything yet if you have not tried the Yellow Power, Mini Lean, Heat, EphBurn 25, Red Cutz or Pure Ephedrine PE25. Beware of fake ephedra. There are companies calling caffeine pills Ephedra. The product must list Ephedrine Alkaloids in the ingredients. Without it, it is basically ephedra free. Always ask before you buy and don't accept any excuses as to why the ephedrine alkaloids is missing in their product. Some companies will even go as far as saying that ephedra is for weight loss and epehdrine is for nasal decongestion. That is a total lie. Real Ephedra, Ma Huang and Sida Cordifolia has the active ingredient Ephedrine Alkaloids in it just as Coffee, Tea and Cocoa have caffeine. Decaf coffee has no caffeine. Fake Ephedra called Ephedra Extract has no Ephedrine Alkaloids. Don't be fooled by this new scam and get the real ones at www.thatswholesale.com
And no, ephedra/ephedrine has never been illegal. If so, then why do pharmaceutical companies sell their synthetic Ephedrine HCL or Ephedrine Sulfate over the counter? Why are synthetic pharmaceuticals safe compared to the natural ones? Natural is always safer. Your body knows the difference.
Anonymous
posted 28-Nov-2012 7:49pm

What is the addiction rate of ephedrine? I have a health project due on Nov 30th and that is one thing I need to include. Thanks if you help.
chellec1026
posted 14-Mar-2013 1:54pm

There are a few forms of Ephedrine, one is actual MaHuang, one I have found to actually make me tired, even when combined with caffeine. Ephedrine HCL (which is found in Bronkaid and Primatene) when combined with caffeine and aspirin does give you energy that lasts about 4 hours.

Ephedra (notice the "ine" is missing) is a joke, it is the leaf powder, and anyone who has done their homework knows that true herbal ephedrine is from the root.

Sida Cordifolia -
This is is the scientific name for a weed used in ayurvedic medicine, which is an alternative form of medicine that uses a combination of things such as herbs and oils to treat ailments. It is used to treat serious ailments such as heart disease and more simple aches such as exhaustion. The main active ingredient in this herb is the stimulant ephedrine.Because the active ingredient in sido cordifolia is ephedrine, it causes similar responses in the body as the hormone called epinephrine, which is more commonly termed adrenaline. Ephedrine is a central nervous system stimulant that combines with the adrenergic receptor. When this reaction takes place, a signaling system in the body is stimulated and results in various responses, including increased blood pressure, increased heart rate and an opened respiratory system.

This specific weed root is amazing and I found it better than mahuang. I have energy for hours. It is found in original Stimerex which is hard to find, but I have managed to find a personal seller out of Texas for now.
Anonymous
posted 15-Apr-2013 4:02am

The FDA wants you to be fat. Don't you get it? Its population control of the inferior population. Aka, you. They'll feed you fries and cornsyrup all day to give you diabetes and heart attack at 35. Help you though? Don't be naive. The only person. Who can truly help you is yourself. Go score some at an herbal place, and please, stop believing they have your best interests in mind. Although I guess if you are that stupid why do we want you eating our resources and reproducing. Bad enough we have to deal with the welfareites who breed like rabbits.
Wrankignake
posted 12-Aug-2013 12:19pm

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Brigg
posted 14-Nov-2014 4:31am

Beware of fake ephedra sold ehewslere called Ephedra Extract. It has the active ingredient ephedrine alkaloids removed or it is not present at all. Only real Ephedra, Ma Huang or Sida Cordifolia has Ephedrine Alkaloids. It is the active ingredient called Ephedrine Alkaloids that make it work and it is present only´╗┐ in real Ephedra, Ma Huang and Sida Cordifolia. Don't be fooled by just ephedra alone. Get the real ones at the site above or click on my name below.
Anonymous
posted 28-Nov-2014 12:30pm

Ephedra with Ephedrine Alkaloids has been replaced by Ephedra with DMAA (1,3 dimethylamylamine). It has the same chemical action as ephedrine alkaloids. When combined with caffeine, it also becomes a thermogenic fat burner that will energize, suppress appetite and enhance concentration. All without the jitters. DMAA is considered the next generation ephedrine alkaloids ingredient. Get the Stimerex Hardcore by clicking my name above. www.thatswholesale.com
Anonymous
posted 30-May-2015 6:31am

I never had adverse side effects. I took one in the morning and maybe one about 5 to 6 hours later. More people die from Tylenol then they did ephedrine. People was taking more than they should that is why they had problems. I want it brought back. If the fda is so concerned about the side effects of pills then they need to ban just about every duge they use to treat almost everything. Its bs. The government banned it because its a plant and they cam make tons of money on it but since the ban on ephedrine was placed the government and drug companies have made billions on prescription weight loss drugs. I'm sure you can pot 2 and 2 together.
Anonymous
posted 12-Jul-2016 3:55am

www.thatswholesale.come website has been taken down. So where or what are people taking now? And where to get it? Loved the Metabo Less in the 1990, 1 pill a day did the trick. One person dies that abused the product and it gets yanked off the shelves with the backing of the billon dollar diet industry. Keep them fat & dumb. Carrying around this excess weight will kill me more than the pill.

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