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No Flour, No Sugar Diet
SummaryDr. Gott's No Flour, No Sugar Diet presents a simple, straight-forward way to lose weight and keep it off for a lifetime. All you need do is eliminate flour and sugar from your diet. DescriptionThis diet book contains common-sense techniques on how to eat better and achieve a healthier lifestyle. It gets you to focus on foods that are nutritional and satisfying. Thus, you can both lose weight and become healthier in the process. You can eat brown rice, lean meats, low-fat dairy products, fruits and vegetables. But, you have to stop eating foods like bagels, pasta, bread, cereal, white rice, cookies, sweets, and cakes. Many excellent recipes are included in the book with have no flour and sugar, yet taste delicious. The approach is to keep things simple by just eliminating flour and sugar, the two primary food ingredients that are causing the obesity problem in America. Our culture has become addicted to sweets. This book helps you break the addiction and get on track for eating healthier while losing that extra weight. HistoryDr. Gott is a medical columnist published in over 350 newspaper daily. He is a practicing physician with a general practice in Connecticut. He's also the director of medicine at Hotchkiss School (a prep-school). CriticismGiving up bread and sweets may simply be too hard for some people. Sugar is in a great majority of products sold today. While the diet sounds simple, implementing it and sticking to it is quiet a challenge. Tags: glycemic-index low-calorie low-carb low-fat no-sweets simple Related Diets: Cambridge Diet Cabbage Soup Diet No-S Diet South Beach Diet Fat Smash Diet |
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| Connie | posted 1-Apr-2009 7:42pm Tonight we had dill tilapia, my first time eating tilapia, and butternut squash casserole. Very good and filling. |
| Bronwyn | posted 1-Apr-2009 9:28pm Debbie M. I would be worried about contamination on most things that you find contaminated in the States......who knows where pistacho's are grown but probably the U.S. and Canada both import them. Earlier this year so many people got sick on Peanut Butter.........man is anything safe. I had not heard about the pistachios yet so thanks..... Threw out last nights dinner from Recipezaar and made cajun pork chops and a huge chop salad.....I did make a small pot of potatoes but I didn't have any. Do you guys ever do a chop salad if not I highly recommend it.....yummy! You can fine (not eeny weeny teeny) chop anything but this is what I usually do.......broccoli, cauliflower, red pepper, orange pepper, yellow pepper, red onion, cucumber,avocado, tomato, gouda, kalamata olives and top with blue cheese dressing. I make a big one while I am at it and do the avocadoes and tomatoes separately or and don't put the dressing on all of it ....... and store the left overs for another meal. This is my 3rd day without starch and I am not sure if I am just imagining this but I feel like I am more energetic. Hey where is Kathleen.................????? Connie....I guess people don't usually wait until the last minute to get their Mother of the Bride (well Mother of the Groom) dresses..............I was waiting until the last minute in hopes of losing weight. I found a store here in calgary that carries that line but the order is like 12 weeks. Even on line it was way too long of an order time. I picked up two Jones of New York suits today to try out here and see what my husband thinks. I am trying to find a shimmery camisole. I got some pretty jewlery.....costume not real. Angie I am thinking of making snack packets of things in the right size like you do..........that would be helpful I am sure in keeping sizes of snacks more reasonable. |
| Hilda | posted 1-Apr-2009 10:12pm I am still looking for Laughing Cow cheese. What stores carry it and in what section do you find it? |
| Bronwyn | posted 1-Apr-2009 10:29pm Personally I can buy laughing cow anywhere......Safeways, Sobeys, Costco.....like every store has it! |
| K10 | posted 2-Apr-2009 12:31am Hi ladies. I have lost 15 pounds. People are starting to say they are noticing, that is nice. I haven't had a Pepsi in 12 weeks and I don't even miss it. My friend who just had her 1 year of sobriety says she may give me a 90 day chip she has. I was truly addicted, a minimum of 3 cans per day usually. My husband had an awesome dry rub bbq rib dinner. He also got to hear a great blues band. He may even get to go to Graceland tomorrow. I am jealous. The pistachios are from a farm here in California. They are recalling all pistachios, even ones in trail mixes etc. I feel so bad for the farm they came from, even if everything is ok, they have lost a ton of money. It appears this is from the whole 2008 crop. That is what my hubby said last night. That could have changed. Kathleen: Where are you???? You are missed. Bronwyn: I hope you can find an outfit for the wedding. Shopping for those kinds of things is so hard. My friend was going to be the mother of the groom in December, but the wedding was called off by her son. It is a good thing. Connie and Bronwyn: Let me know what you find out from all the glycemic load and index info. I am curious. I am sure it will make a difference. Hilda: Laughing Cow is either in cheese area of your supermarket or where they may have the cheese spreads. They have them at Sam's Club too. I will talk to you all later. I am having a cough attack and I need a drink of water. Good night all. |
| Bronwyn | posted 2-Apr-2009 1:13am K10......15 lbs. that is awesome. Fifteen lbs. makes a big difference......I have heard that a 10-12 lb. weight loss is one size. You are doing so well and congratulations on the 12 weeks without pepsi. It would be interesting to know how much of your weight loss can be attributed to even just giving up pepsi. way to go girl!!!! I have no idea what a 90 day chip is but whatever it is you deserve it.......what is a chip???? Man oh man......now K10's husband is "Walking in Memphis". If he gets the recipe for the rub pass it on.....that sounds so good. Do you happen to know how people know whether they have bad pistachios. I sent my youngest son's girlfriend who is going to school back east a care package for Easter. She loves pistachios and I sent her a really large bag..........I hope I don't make her sick.......do you think I should contact her and tell her not to eat them??? Dr. Thompson says that we have no taste buds for starch except for about 2 percent of it that breaks down to sugars in our mouth. Starch is tasteless. Even though starch supplies most of the calories in potatoes, flour products and rice the only flavour they have are by the other ingredients added to them. He says if you doubt that they don't have flavour to put some cornstarch or white flour on your tongue and try to taste it. When starch arrives in your intestinal tract it turns to sugar. Each starch molecule consists of hundreds of sugar molecules linked by bonds that can be broken quickly by plant or animal digestive enzymes. No other food with the exception of pure sugar packs as many carbohydrates into as small a space as starch does. What is the concern?......your body's insulin-producing cells have to make a huge amount of insulin to handle it and that is the problem. |
| K10 | posted 2-Apr-2009 1:53am Bronwyn: I would notify your son's girlfriend as soon as you can. The info on the recall has been on the news here alot. The FDA (Food and Drug Administration)is involved so I think it would be national. My friend has been going to Alcoholics Anonymous (AA). When you get to 30, 60, 90 days of sobriety you get a chip (kind of like a poker chip I think) to acknowledge how well you have done. Interesting on the starch being tasteless. No wonder I have to add so much salt to my potatoes. Dr. Thompson seems to have a lot of good info. I am curious too about the weight loss and how much it has to do with giving up Pepsi. I think it is more from NFNS. Because when I first gave up Pepsi, I would eat to compensate for not having one. My appetite would increase. I don't care which one it is. I figure even though I spend more on groceries now, what I save on soda at home and at restaurants is balancing it out. My fatty wedding band is getting looser. I can get my wedding band on, but it is still tight. I wonder how long until I can wear it again? It isn't its original size from when I got married, of course I had to get it made bigger. I didn't wear it for a long time as a punishment for getting fat, but then my friend told me I should get it sized and wear it. I am glad I did that. |
| Hilda | posted 2-Apr-2009 2:03am I have a free pass to Sam's this weekend. I looked at WalMart already. |
| K10 | posted 2-Apr-2009 10:26am Hilda: Maybe they don't sell them in your region????? |
| Debbie M | posted 2-Apr-2009 10:27am YEY 15 pounds is a big loss!! Good for you! |
| Connie | posted 2-Apr-2009 10:30am Morning ladies. Hilda, Wal Mart carries laughing cow. At my store it is located in front of the deli section in a small refrigerated stand. The stand happens to be across from the wall where the bagged cheeses are. If you see an employee, ask them for help finding it. You will probably find it yourself before you find an employee. I needed help the other day and it took forever. K10, congrats on the 15 lb weight loss! That is so awesome. It's just the beginning for you...can you feel it? Only my family noticed my weight loss at 15 lbs, at 20 lbs others began to notice as well. And eventually I could get my wedding ring on again. I once heard a doctor say that giving up one can of pop a day would result in a 10 lb loss a year. In your case you could triple that. Your husband must have went to Beale Street last night. It really is a wonderfully good time. My favorite place for music is B B Kings. But there so many places to choose from. And always entertainment on the streets as well. Everyone should go there and experience it. I hope he got a T shirt! Bronwyn, thanks for the starch info. That was very interesting. You know, I load up my potato with butter, salt and sour cream. Jeez, I'm going to miss them. But I could just cut back on them and call it good enough. I read that red potatoes are less starchy than white ones. I really need for my book to get here, it's arriving today I think. I have been trying to think back to my diet when I started this program. I did not eat dried fruit or Ezek bread. No sf jelly also. I'm definitely off the dried fruit and I don't eat much bread so maybe I'll get back down to my lowest. Kathleen, where are you dear? Be a doll and drop a line. Today I need to clean my house, but all I want to do is read up on the GI issue! Oh well, I will definitely be in control of what I eat...I promise! Great day ladies. |
| Connie | posted 2-Apr-2009 10:41am I was just surfing around for low GI foods and came across a site called dlife.com. I will be preparing my next menu from there. Check it out. |
| K10 | posted 2-Apr-2009 10:43am Connie: I will have to find out where he went. I don't know if he bought a shirt or anything like that. When he goes places he buys me cookbooks. I collect them, I don't even necessarily cook from them. I just like to read them. We buy them when we travel instead of shirts, because I would never end up wearing the shirts. Since we are losing weight now, maybe we will start buying shirts too. :) I hope your book comes today. Happy NFNS |
| Bronwyn | posted 2-Apr-2009 11:07am I have to run......but you will not .....I mean you will not believe this........I have lost 4 1/2 lbs. this week. I am so jazzed..............oh my word..................I have found the key for me!!!! |
| Connie | posted 2-Apr-2009 11:54am OMG!!!!!! Finally, Bronwyn I whooped out loud. Thank you for making my day!!!!! We are all so happy for you!!!!! |
| Bronwyn | posted 2-Apr-2009 12:12pm Okay I am back......I know that the weight will bounce around and that I need to stay off the scales but still seeing that number under 200 was,,,,,,well thrilling!!!! For those who are interested in seeing a glycemic load scale.....google (because I don't dare put on a link)....Rob Thompson, M.D. glycemic Load scale. Okay I am not saying this is the be all and end all but for me it seems to be helping to move the weight more than just NFNS. I think I may be insulin resistant and can't handle starch. Overall Connie though just as you mention above.....this is closer to the way you ate when you started NFNS.....you were cutting out the starches. I do like though that I can have some fruit.....I love fruit but I am cutting out the dried fruits and limiting bananas. He says that Coke has a GL of 218 for a 12 oz. can. He says O.J. has a load of 118 for an 8 oz. glass and other fruit juices even higher. He says don't drink juice eat the fruit.....for a much lower count. I have always preached this to my kids....eat the fruit and drink water. They love juice and would like to drink it instead of water. Lots of it is common sense really. Connie, Rick Gallop who writes low gylcemic index diet books says to eat 2 or 3 small (baby) potatoes with your meals if you eat potatoes. Mind you he would really frown at your toppings (he is very low fat and artifical sweeteners) Some of these programs are more lenient with the starches and really reduce the fat. Dr. Thompson is more strict on the starch and less on the fat albeit he says don't think that now you should go hog wild on fat. He thinks the problem with low gylcemic is that people then have the idea that they can stuff themselves with fat. Anyways I have tons to do today and I am so excited for all of us.....we are all moving in the right direction!!!! |
| Connie | posted 2-Apr-2009 1:24pm When I first started NFNS I drank 4 oz orange juice 2-3 times a week. On occasion I would add equal parts water to it. Would that change the gi value? I have fried figs and raisins in my fridge. I can't think of anyone to give them to. Isn't that something...everyone I know is overweight! I'm going to send them to work with my husband. |
| Connie | posted 2-Apr-2009 1:32pm I just checked out the site. Wow! It's turned my current way of thinking up side down. I'm really clinging to the 500 number per day because other wise I don't know if I could do it. But I am going to give it a good go. That's 500 per day, right? |
| K10 | posted 2-Apr-2009 1:38pm Connie: FRIED figs hmm. JK I know you meant dried figs. |
| Connie | posted 2-Apr-2009 2:31pm K10, don't give me any idea's! |
| Debbie M | posted 2-Apr-2009 3:28pm WHOOOOOOHOOOO! Bronwyn, that terrific! Keep it up girl! |
| Debbie M | posted 2-Apr-2009 4:54pm I was just looking at the load values for foods. I saw that 2 oz. of dried dates was 42 and 1 oz of peanuts was 1. What a difference. 39 for a pancake and 5 for a piece of pumpernickle bread. wow I think I'll look into this. Congrats again Bronwyn. What have you been weighing Connie? |
| Connie | posted 2-Apr-2009 5:10pm This morning I weighed 147.6. That is up for me...and I have been up for a week. All those fogs and bananas I guess. One day I had figs and a banana for lunch. I've really been sabotaging myself! I'm not saying I will never have a fig or a banana again, but I would look at them as a once in a great while treat, very rarely. My book came today. I haven't opened it yet. I really want to understand the gi load principles. There's permanent weight loss there. Sauteed shrimp in garlic and squash casserole for dinner. Time to read, btw, thanks for the book recommendation Bronwyn. I'll be getting it I'm sure. |
| Bronwyn | posted 2-Apr-2009 5:37pm Connie this isn't Dr. Atkins........fried figs aren't any better for you than dried......ha, ha!!!! Yes Virgina (I mean Connie  ....it is under 500 a day. But I can see the confusion starting already.......you can't count part Glycemic Index and part Glycemic load......the counts are different. 500 on the Glycemic Index......that would be a lo and you would not lose weight for sure you would likely gain.. Be careful not to get confused with the counts...... By far the easiest thing to do would be to eat no rice, bread or potatoes and forget counting. In all of that it would also exclude chips and crackers........which I know some of us over ate just because they did not have flour in them BUT they are heavy starch. Truthfully when you think about it eating those things has no benefit for us......no nutritional value. In fact they are empty calories and pretty high in calories at that. The program is not low calorie or low fat......it is NO Starch (or counted starch). Okay I just found a formula in the cookbook....let me see how this works (a math genius I am not)......here it is: glycemic load= glycemic index X grams of carbohydrate. Okay I have to read more and think about that one.......hey Debbie check on your 39 G.I. for the pancake what is the carb count then times those two and you will see what the Glycemic load is. I am sure you will find it to be very high........pancakes are a starch! |
| Bronwyn | posted 2-Apr-2009 5:40pm Oh Connie I just see your new post.....see if you can figure out from your book how to figure the load......or rather what would be the suggestion for how many Glycemic Index points you should have a day. I can only find the recipe book for the index.....I can't find the book. |
| Bronwyn | posted 2-Apr-2009 5:54pm Okay here lies the rub or the problem. Everytime I look at a new program I can get excited about some parts of it and think oh great I can have this or that.......you have to give up things to have success. I am thinking that this is very much NFNS the way it should be done......taking out the starch. Dr. Thompson isn't nearly as concerned about small amounts of sugar as he is starch..........so I can go great but the truth is I really need to limit my sugar as I have problems with sugar (or do I actually have more problems with starch......who knows, eh)!!! I actually think this could be very liveable though. |
| Connie | posted 2-Apr-2009 6:25pm Thanks Bronwyn for the latest. I really am confused and creating typos like crazy! I will be reading all through the weekend and hopefully I'll have a solid plan by next week. In the meantime I am going to stay away from rice, bread, potatoes and crackers. That was what I was doing in the beginning. Well, I had rice a few times a week. I will probably do that again because the family likes it and I'm not cooking separate foods except on occasion. I think we are lucky this information is dawning on us when the produce dept at the store is so varied. That is key, great veggie side dishes. You know, I really think I was feeling better when I first started NFNS. I'm not sure about small amounts of sugar being allowed on my eating plan. I guess I would continue to have it only on very special occasions. It's interesting that sugar is more allowable than starch. I seem to be able to handle sugar better than flour. Maybe I'll have some wedding cake in Sept. I can't wait to get started on this new plan...combining NFNS with a low GI load count. Did I say that right?????? Anyway, what do we have to lose...except weight. I say we learn as much as we can about it, share it and then commit to it, for say, six months. What do you say ladies? |
| Angie | posted 2-Apr-2009 6:35pm Bronwyn I am so happy for you. You, like me have found something that works for you and something you can stick with. It's a great feeling. Now it is just to make a committment to a new lifestyle. I think everyone has to tweak these ideas to see what works for them. I just gave all my triscuits (which I got on sale so bought too many) away. I have found that I can't eat wheat without stomach problems. I still have no problems with the Blue Diamond rice crackers. Everyone is different and everyone has to customize their diet. Ladies, we are on the right track! Happy NFNS and low GI |
| Bronwyn | posted 2-Apr-2009 7:06pm Here is a potato solution: Cauliflower Potato Mash......1/2 head Cauliflower, 5 oz. potatoes, 2 Tablespoons butter and salt and pepper. ..... the recipes adds 2 Tbsps. water and nukes on high for 12-15 minutes (until both are very tender)......blend with a blender stick and add butter, salt and pepper. This serves 4. (add flavourings to your choosing such as horseradish and cheese....hmmmmm!!!!) ......this is more potatoey than just straight cauliflower mash but greatly lower on calories and gylcemic index |
| Bronwyn | posted 2-Apr-2009 7:07pm I never cook in my microwave......just defrost.....but that was the recipes instractions. |
| K10 | posted 2-Apr-2009 8:45pm Bronwyn: So do you use frozen cauliflower? What can you use when you don't have a stick blender? What is the name of the book again? Do I need to buy it or can I get a glycemic load list online? I was looking at it earlier, but had to leave the house. I am going to finish my box of Triscuits, they are almost gone anyway. So no bread, not even Ezekiel? Please give me as much info as you can. |
| K10 | posted 2-Apr-2009 11:33pm Bronwyn: I found a website that has glycemic load values for all food types at carbs-information.com/glycemic-load.htm#food. I also saw that it said GL's of 10 or below are low and GL's of 20 or above are high. So we are to stay under 500 per day correct? |
| K10 | posted 2-Apr-2009 11:37pm The hyphen after carbs is needed to get to the site. I didn't want to risk messing up my ability to check this so I didn't include the www. I also didn't know how it would show up once submitted. Sorry if it is confusing. |
| Bronwyn | posted 3-Apr-2009 12:46am shoot K10 I just responded to your questions in great detail and then lost my post............I will respond again tomorrow. |
| Hilda | posted 3-Apr-2009 12:49am I find I need a rice cake or popcorn or a piece of bread a day to feel full. I am going back to Walmart or to the Sam's Club free pass day before April 5th to look for Laughing Cow. Did anyone see Slumdog Millionaire? |
| K10 | posted 3-Apr-2009 2:13am Bronwyn: that is so frustrating. I appreciate you being willing to do it again tomorrow. |
| Debbie M | posted 3-Apr-2009 6:53am My chart says for pancake Glycemic index (Glucose = 100)67 serving sive 6" Carbs per serving 58 Glycemic Load per serving 39 Is that what you meant? |
| Debbie M | posted 3-Apr-2009 7:01am note: these vlaues are reletive to glucose. I don't even know what I'm talking about. Still learning. |
| Connie | posted 3-Apr-2009 8:42am Morning gang. Wow, all of us trying to figure this gi thing out. Good for us. I'm off to work today. I'm working for a retired nutritionist so I'll see what see can add. The problem is, she's 84 and a bit rusty on the topic. And, I think her generation did not have as much info as we do now and priorities were different when she was working. But she does love to share what she knows, when she can remember it. Great day all. |
| Debbie M | posted 3-Apr-2009 12:05pm Hey Ladies, Thanks for your prayers. Good news! Our house came in at 8 thousand over what we needed. Yippy. Thats the good news. The bad news is they didn't know about our camper loan, although Steve told them about it in the beginning. This could change everything. Let's keep our fingers crossed. Dear Lord if it is your will, let it be. Deb |
| Bronwyn | posted 3-Apr-2009 12:16pm Seriously I haven't really got this all figured out yet myself. I think I am going to start at the beginning of the book and try to read it through like I was studying a text book. I will try to then high light for any one on here what I am finding out. If there are some of you who have no interest then just skip my posts......I really don't want to confuse anyone. Go to Amazon and look up "The Glycemic load Diet Book" by Rob thompson.......read the reviews because there is info there as well. |
| K10 | posted 3-Apr-2009 12:50pm Bronwyn: I saw examples of how to figure out the Glycemic Load of items. It went like this, if the serving has 12 grams of carbs (less fiber, like my slice of Ezekiel bread had 15 grams of carbs minus 3 fibers and that made 12) and a GI of 36 the equation looks like this: 12x36=432 divided by 100= 4.3. This is the GL of that slice of bread, is that correct? This is considered low GL then right? I read some of the comments on Dr. Rob Thompson's book, some were great, but some said his numbers can vary from other charts on line by as much as ten. Are you going to basically limit the foods that we are allowed, but have a significant amount of carbs? I think that will be what I might do until I get more info from you. Like Connie said when she first started NFNS she wasn't eating as many figs or potatoes and rice. Connie: I am looking forward to hearing the info you read about this weekend. I better get to cleaning and laundry of course. Talk to you all later. |
| Bronwyn | posted 3-Apr-2009 1:06pm K10 one of the reviews said to x by 10......so would it be 40.3 because I d on't think 4.3 woudl be the right number. In the recipe bok there are several pancake recipes but most of them have no grains in them......like almond meal and so forth instead. I have to run this a.m. but I am going to figure this out because this is the first time I have been moving weight in a long time. Also we could complie some questions as apparently this Dr. is very open to that. If you guys want to thik of some questions I will compile a list and sent him a letter with our questions. I do think his counts are different. I also think his plan is quite liveable though as he gives ways of eating pizza once in a while and so forth. |
| Debbie M | posted 3-Apr-2009 1:11pm I read in The Glucose Revolution that if you have a high load food with a low load food it equals out into a medium load, if eaten together. |
| Debbie M | posted 3-Apr-2009 1:13pm When my kids get home in a couple hours they will be on spring break for the next 9 days. It's sweet and sour. You all know what I mean. |
| K10 | posted 3-Apr-2009 2:10pm Debbie:I know what you mean. My girls' vacation is starting the 10th. Glycemic load info again. Shaklee has a site with what seems to be a good list. My dad has taken Shaklee vitamins forever, so I trust this site. shaklee.com/pws/library/products/wn_gi_gl_tables.pdf Bronwyn: I found another site that said to divide by 100. In the example I gave above it would be 48 if divided by 10 and it is 4.8 divided by 100. The Shaklee site shows it with the lower numbers and gives daily numbers by the weight of the individual. I am working my brain with this and obviously not my cleaning muscle oh well. |
| Bronwyn | posted 3-Apr-2009 3:15pm K10.....I love the Shaklee list......so easy to understand and to record. Okay so by it I would eat 80 G.L. a day instead of under 500 but as I look at the list of foods I see that totally fits with Dr. thompson says only the counts are different and I think probably easier. For instance, Dr. Thompson doens't recommend eating any cereal other that all-Bran and Fibre 1. When you look at this chart you see that All- Bran is like 4 and cheerios (i don't have the chart in front of me but this is an example) is more like 24. If you are eating a load of 80 a day than yes you would not want to spend that much of your count on something as non filling as cheerios. I love this and I think this is so workable. This is NFNS refined to work better I believe. The things that are high on the G.L. chart that we eat on NFNS are not very good choices for keeping us satisfied. I also think those are the things that aren't nutritionally good for us either albiet NFNS. I am so distracted by this and excited about the potential that I am not doing the things I need to be doing......cleaning, laundry, and so forth. Thanks so much K-10 for your research I think you have really found a great site. |
| Bronwyn | posted 3-Apr-2009 3:59pm Debbie M. probably for weight loss you want to stay with the low gylcemic load......I would think that moderate would be for maintenance and high for the very occassional treat once you have lost your weight............IMHO I am also wondering if the 80 I thought I would be on from the Shaklee was for weight loss or maintenance????? So many quesitons but it is exciting. |
| Bronwyn | posted 3-Apr-2009 4:57pm Okay as usual I wet straight to the chart and didn't read the top paragraph which indicates the weight loss part. |
| Debbie M | posted 3-Apr-2009 6:26pm My daughter is a lot like you Bronwyn. She goes straight for what she knows instead of making sure by reading the directions. lol Tacos for us tonight. I am feeling manic tonight. I need to be careful. But I'm not sure what to do about it. I'm just beginning to recognize the symptoms. Maybe I'll google it. |
| Connie | posted 3-Apr-2009 6:35pm Made it home. I can't pull up the Shaklee list. So far I think I'll eliminate starches as much as possible. Mrs Fowler had nothing to say about my low GI quest. She was in the dark about it. |
| Connie | posted 3-Apr-2009 6:39pm I think I found the list. |
| Bronwyn | posted 3-Apr-2009 7:49pm Connie an 84 year old nutritionist really wouldn't have a clue about the glycemic load or index. I am reading so much information (negative) about grains.......I am not sure what to think as I have always thought of them as the staff of life. Basically as I think about it I have been a low fat, high starch kind of eater in my life.......gee, I guess I have to think about how that has worked out for me, eh!!!! Dr. thompson isn't overly concerned about fat but he also doesn't think we should be frying all our food not even our figs He thinks avocados, cheese, nuts and so forth are good fats that help us to feel satisfied......and that they don't trigger cravings or rises in our blood sugar. You know I totally think when I got serious about eating low fat was when I also started to have weight problems. |
| Connie | posted 3-Apr-2009 8:37pm I made it through the fit or fat stage without gaining because I was running so much. But when I quit running, I started gaining. I was very low fat and high carb. I have been a high carb eater as well. It is very easy for me to go for days without eating meat. I'm going to quit eating the Ezek products. I didn't have them when I was losing, so that's a no brainer. I really just need to look at my current weight gain to figure some of this out. I've been eating breads and dried fruit and rice noodles. So, back to the beginning for me. I'm going to keep it simple without the starches. I will have them on occasion, but not as a staple. When I wasn't eating them, I was eating all the time and losing. It was great. I was always satisfied. I slept horribly last night and then worked all day...I'm just exhausted. I was going to start reading my book tonight, but I'm going to put that off. Sweet dreams all. |
| K10 | posted 3-Apr-2009 9:40pm Today wasn't a good day to worry about GL. I ate lunch at the mall and had potatoes with my roasted chicken, then I just got dinner at a fast food place and had the cheap Caeser salad and a baked potato. Well at least my husband won't feel so bad about what he ate when I ate the way I did today. Speaking of my husband, his flight was delayed because they couldn't close the luggage door. They sat on the plane while they tried to fix it and then had to get his flight totally changed when they couldn't fix the door. He will be arriving home about 5-6 hours late. He left Memphis at 7 something this morning, which is 5 am here. On top of all that, he has to work tomorrow and may be going to a funeral. I can't complain about being tired at all. The best thing about today is my youngest came home from a church conference she was at with her friend. The hours we were waiting for her, we were at a very large mall and did a lot of walking. I sure wish I knew how much walking I did. Bronwyn: What does IMHO mean? The Shaklee list is pretty good. I really shouldn't buy another book right now, so if you can let me know the other things you learn I will really appreciate that. Debbie M: I am glad you are recognizing your manic symptoms, does it coincide with your cycle? Talk to you later. |
| K10 | posted 3-Apr-2009 9:40pm Connie: Sorry you had such a hard night sleeping I hope it goes better tonight. |
| kathy | posted 3-Apr-2009 9:46pm I have lately been having oatmeal and yogurt in the morning with a green banana, a (gasp)! turkey sandwich and milk for lunch, some nuts in the afternoon, and meat and veggies for evening meal with fruit for a dessert. A few triscuits and a teaspoon of almond butter in the evening for snack. How's that for the gi index? |
| kathy | posted 3-Apr-2009 10:03pm Connie-list some of the foods you are eating more of, after eliminating starches. I realize I eat too many starches- oh well. After I get back from Florida I am having 3 wisdom teeth pulled on April 17th, and will have to eat soft foods for a while. |
| Debbie M | posted 3-Apr-2009 10:28pm I'll answer for Bronwyn, IMHO means In my humble opinion. I'm learning more about my condition. I found a site tonight that was very inlightening. Its not the first time I have done research but it is the first time I have looked at my problem with a better understanding. I'll have to pay more attention to my cycles. I know I suffer PMS but I'll have to see if I can identify a bi-polar cycle with it. Thanks for the suggestion K10. Kathy, Your diet sounds so healthy. Sorry about your teeth. I hope you recover quickly. Connie, returning to what you were doing when you were losing is what I need to do too and is a good idea. I need to do so many things for myself but its hard for me to get into the grove. My house looks better than it has in a long long time. I'm caught up on my laundry and besides my basement things are pretty much in order. I have been going into the basement and bringing one bag a day out of there. Things I don't need or use or like anymore. I took 4 bags to Good Will today. I'll keep doing this until it is managable enough to arrange and decorate to make a game/playroom for the kids with storage for things like Christmas decorations and momentos at the other end. Connie and Bronwyn, sleep well. G'nite all |
| Connie | posted 4-Apr-2009 10:15am Morning. I didn't get the sleep I needed last night...my bottoms dragging already and I've only just got up. Oh well, it's Saturday and I can just take it easy for awhile. Debbie, I'm jealous of your house. Mine is a disaster! But after I drink my coffee I am going to turn into a cleaning machine. It will be shinning by tonight. I have to admit, that's one thing I can do very well...clean a house! I was feeling down with the knowledge that potatoes and rice are not good choices in my weight loss efforts. I love potatoes...and I've come to really like rice too. But this morning I weighed in at 145.6 and I ate a lot yesterday, NFNS/no starch, so I'm going to try and focus on that. Already I'm losing again. No more dried fruit, bread and large servings of starches for me! This morning I'm propped up in bed with my laptop (actually I'm like that every morning...I call it my office!) and I'm going to go through my recipes on hand and on the net to find great side dishes. I have a good start and I think if I can build it up I will not miss the starches so much. We grill a lot, so the meat can be simple. I am really grateful to all of you ladies for all the info you have shared. It has helped me do this. If I were on my own I think I would have thrown my hands up in the air and quit. We really are very blessed to have each other to support each other and to learn together. So, thanks! I'm going to be cracking my book soon. Jeez, I'm almost afraid to do it! |
| Connie | posted 4-Apr-2009 10:31am I just found a great site, www.nutritiondata.com. I searched low starch veggies and they list them with their gl. Further clicking told me a 10 gl is low, and a 20 gl is high. I can look up veggies, or anything else, and find the gl rating. This should simplify things for me. Check it out. |
| Connie | posted 4-Apr-2009 10:34am Good grief! Bananas have a gl of 18 and dried figs ...44!!!!!!!! |
| Connie | posted 4-Apr-2009 10:36am Ooops! That was for 1 cup of dried figs...1 fig has a gl of 8. But, I never ate just one fig. Here I am all confused again. I'll keep digging. |
| Connie | posted 4-Apr-2009 10:50am I found a couple of recipes already. I'm feeling bolstered! I've started a list of things I can't have, but that's ok. I need to keep it really simple and on track and I'll get where I want to go. Are you with me ladies? Time to take the dogs outside for a romp...the sun is out. I may not clean today after all! I think it is much more important I continue with my food search. |
| Bronwyn | posted 4-Apr-2009 12:02pm Connie according to this Shaklee list I should stay under 80 a day to lose weight. Looking at the list you could easily incorporate small portions or rice and potatoes.......measuring and counting is the key I believe. For instance a 1/3 of cup of cooked brown rice is 6 and 1 new potato is 7. You can have 55 points a day. So you would have to just count the starch and keep it small. In Rick Gallops low gylcemic index book he says to divide your plate into quarters in your mind with 1/2 the plate low starch veggies, 1/4 protein and 1/4 a starch. He measures a starch as 1/3 cup of brown rice or basmati rice or 2 oe 3 small new potatoes as a serving. Dr. Thompson recommends making wraps and on the Shaklee list a tortilla is 5 but that is a small one 6". Eating off the low gylcemic load list would give you good volume. What I would like to see is recipes that list what the load is on a serving of the recipe. I don't see that on any of the recipe books. They do list the nutritional info in some of them so I wonder what the formula is for taking that info and figuring the load without having to do that manually with all of the ingredients. The recipe book for your Diet Revolution lists foods as low, med and high ...... and the recipes are listed in the same way. The suggestion for weight loss is to make the low G>I. recipes. I want to know what the actual count is myself. I was reading reviews on books based on this program last night and one that people seemed to really like is "The Idiots Guide".......one comment was that this is the only book they have read that gave them a formula to work with. Last night I made (out of Rob Thompson's G.L. Load Diet....not the cookbook)......Mexican pot roast with pinto beans and guacamole. I served it with shredded lettuce and diced tomatoes. I also put out a bowl of corn chips for my family. My husband said.....aren't you going to make potatoes......he will hav a hard time with this! I think that I started to have a lot of NFNS high starch foods without the benefit of knowing much about the G.L. I think that may be where I have run into problems. Dr. Thompson talks about making starch piles.......like when eating pizza and so forth to reduce the starch in what you eat. I think the key to satisfaction is to make very tasty food with limited starch. |
| Connie | posted 4-Apr-2009 12:32pm Thank you Bronwyn for the info. You always make things make sense. I am going to avoid starchy foods for a bit...I feel like I need to make up for lost time. Not only was I not losing, but I was slowly gaining. I think the NFNS aspect of my eating kept me from gaining rapidly, but I was gaining nonetheless, and feeling puffy again. I do plan on having potatoes and rice again, in small amounts, maybe after a few days. I ran to WM this morning and bought food for 2 evening meals that are low GI or GL. I'm ready to do some reading and really get rooted on this eating plan. |
| K10 | posted 4-Apr-2009 12:52pm Bronwyn: The Idiot's Guide is it for glycemic index? That is the one I saw online. Are you going to stay NFNS and be aware of the GL? I know on the lists I have seen regarding GL they include things with flour. Connie: Thanks for the website, I am going to check it out later. |
| Bronwyn | posted 4-Apr-2009 2:50pm K10....oh shoot you are right the complete idiot is index. Okay good I can scratch that from my list of books I need I do not plan to start to eat flour products. I do love flour type things though......breads, waffles, muffins, pancakes and so forth. I have felt so virtuous ;-0 in my life for eating high starch, low fat and being close to a vegetarian type eater. I am going to work on being more gluten free eating......which means I will follow some of those type of recipes to be able to have my cake and eat it too  In Dr. Thompson's book he gives recipes for making such things but low load. I am sure if Dr. Thompson were to read my way of talking about all of this he would chuckle at my lack of info......do you say "low Load". I don't know if I am going to start to use splenda or not.......Dr. Thompson is not a fan of it and believes we can have small amounts of sugar with out problems. He teamed up with Dana Carpender for his recipe book and she it totally against sugar.....she uses splenda in her recipes. She talks about her and Dr. Thompson's disagreement over the sugar and gives some recipes with Sucranat. hmmm.... Connie this can all boggle the mind a bit but the truth is this is what you were doing to begin with except for maybe the corn chips and bananas.....I don't beleive you were having bananas at first though. The more I read the more I think glycemic load is more valuable than glycemic index. |
| Connie | posted 4-Apr-2009 3:23pm Bronwyn, check out truvia for a sweetener. This is interesting...excuse the topic however. I have been off the figs and bananas and breads/pasta for a couple of days now. This morning my trip to the restroom was most successful. I have a problem with that as a rule. My recent bottom problem was a result. Here's the strange thing...I was eating more fiber, but it was having the opposite effect on me. Another reason why I need to stay away from starches I guess. Or maybe it was gluten that was bothering me. I'm not getting much actual cleaning done, mostly organizing. Turn your back on the house for a couple of days and "stuff" appears and then multiplies! |
| kathy | posted 4-Apr-2009 3:54pm Connie, I bookmarked nutritiondata. I see you can find out the load (and/ or index) (Iforget) for all food categories. I feel like I'm trying to learn chemistry. This should be fun. I had a similar experience with 'movement' the first day I did NFNS. It was great! Thanks for the nutritiondata site. |
| Connie | posted 4-Apr-2009 5:12pm I ate all my left overs for lunch, fish and squash casserole. Two hours later I was hungry again. So I had rice cakes with mexi cheese and salsa. I looked up corn tortilla chips and brown rice cakes on nutritiondata.com and rice cakes had the lower count. I'm just not going to be able to give up my mini instant nachos! Bronwyn, do you agree brown rice cakes are better than corn chips. I'm double checking myself. When I first started NFNS, I ate corn tortilla chip nachos and still lost. That will be my one food I can't give up. Well, maybe I can give it up...but I don't want to and I will need to find a replacement for the rice cake/corn chip. Maybe I could use some kind of baked vegetable. Just a thought. |
| Bronwyn | posted 4-Apr-2009 8:26pm Connie I will check out the rice cake vs. corn chip dilemma ......I ahve been busy today. My husband is doing lots of work here and he looks annoyed everytime he passes by and I am on the computer so I need to be busy as well. I am not much of a potty talk person and it isn't something I struggle with but I can tell you that I am more frequent than necessary with out the starches.....holy moly!!!!! The starches must back you up a bit......remember how do they make home made glue......flour and water. |
| Connie | posted 4-Apr-2009 9:26pm Thanks Bronwyn. I get the questioning eye from my husband once in awhile too. But then he can watch golf for hours......! The "glue" is a good thing for me to keep in mind. I see the commercials for the special yogurt and all I can think of is the added sugar. I just really want to find the foods that work with my body, give me energy, keep me healthy, keep off the weight and is satisfying. That must be what everybody wants! I had some fresh mozzarella and prosciutto during the basketball game. So good...I don't know when to stop! More basketball to watch before I go to bed. Sweet dreams all. |
| K10 | posted 5-Apr-2009 12:26pm Hello ladies. I had a problem logging on here yesterday. I tried to copy and paste a site and that was it, over and done, I couldn't log on all night. I tried my husband's laptop and still nothing. I don't understand that unless, it was just our location or something. I am not trying that again. I realized how often I come on here and really enjoy the conversation with you all. Since you guys brought it up. I have noticed more regularity and shall I say, an easier time in the bathroom. Cleaner even. Even if I have been eating corn tortillas, chips or Ezekiel bread it has just been better. Bronwyn, like you say, they make glue from flour and water. Have you guys ever watched You are What you Eat? I believe it is on the BBC network???? This lady shows you all the junk you eat in a week and she evaluates your elimination, if you get my drift. She talks about how when you eat breads and stuff it makes for a doughy tummy. She does blood work on the person and she also looks at your tongue. I do have to say, since being off of sugar and flour my tongue doesn't have as many cracks. She then shows all the healthy foods to eat. Lots of veggies, fruits, whole grains etc. She has some weird foods I would not be willing to try though. I think NFNS may be a similar way of eating. She wouldn't want us to eat corn chips etc though. I watched this a lot last year and it was interesting. I was low on the GL yesterday until evening. I am just quite stressed I think, with this whole job thing. We really want it to happen, but the waiting is becoming very stressful for me. What do I do when I am stressed??? EAT!!!! At least I am staying NFNS, which I am happy for. I need to get ready for church, so I better go. My husband just took a picture of me and my cat. My cat was laying in such a way it looked like he was on the laptop with me. This is my old kitty and I truly wonder if he is losing his mind??? Have a great day everyone. |
| Bronwyn | posted 5-Apr-2009 2:41pm Actually Dr. Thompson's cook book with Dana Carpender has all kinds of low Glycemic load muffins and crackers. Of course they are more work because they are home made but some of them sound really good. Lots of her desserts and "bread type" things call for some vanilla whey protein powder which I don't have or I would try one of the reicpes right now. She uses lots of bran and ground seeds and nuts instead of flours. I have never been a protein powder fan.....or maybe I have never had a good one. I haven't tried them in baking just smoothies maybe that would be the difference. Connie is the 'special youghurt" Activia? A very small 100 grams of Activia has 13 grams of sugar......that seems counterintuitive to me. Mind you the milk has some sugar in and of its self so it isn't totally added sugar but still. The dang thing about bread stuffs......that includes rice cakes and so forth is that they are such quick and easy snacks. I think what I need to do is make up a bunch of her crackers, pancakes, muffins and so forth and freeze them just like I kept the Ezekial products and toast or nuke when you want one. Like right now I haven't had any thing to eat today and I am hungry and something like the fore mentioned stuff sounds appealing,,,,,however, I don't have all of the ingredients and I also want it right now.......we need things made up and convenient. Like yummy homemade lentils soups in the fridge......the "bread" products in the deep freeze and cleaned, ready to chop up veggies for veggie chopped salads in the fridge. I think the recipe for the cheese crackers would be wonderful with a roasted red pepper hummus and a chopped veggie salad. I need to be more prepared with the right kind of things to eat.......quickly. You know I was thinking that here we are a bunch of ladies living in various parts of north america.......don't really know each other at all. If something happened to one of us we would ever know about it. That person would just stop posting on the boards obviously but we wouldn't know why. I assumed that Kathleen had a discouraging weigh in because she posted regulary right up until her last weigh in and that must be 2 or 3 weeks now............what if she were really sick or something and we wouldn't even know that. That is one of the strange things about cyber space relationships isn't it. I mean we care about each other and route for each other and support each other. even pray for each other ....... but we have no real idea about each other. I guess I am just feeling kind of introspective today. Maybe my mind is even cleared by less starch I would like to know what Dr. Thompson thinks of Ezekail products.......Dr. Gott never mentions them. |
| Bronwyn | posted 5-Apr-2009 2:55pm The reason I mentioned the protein powders is that she uses them in baking...... |
| Connie | posted 5-Apr-2009 3:02pm I recently read a news clip on my homepage about a person leaving instructions about who to contact if something happened to him. He was a gamer (I think!)and when he passed away his son contacted sites on his computer and let them know what happened. So here's what I'll do, I'll put a post it on the side of the fridge with this address. Bronwyn, I am very interested in the recipes you brought up. I'll look into that cookbook. Today was another successful trip to the water closet, there is definitely something to this better way of eating. Today my son bought me a bike. I love it. I've been thinking about one since some of you were talking about your Electra's. This morning my son said we should look at WM. And we did. The one I picked out was very inexpensive, but adorable. A cruiser with 1 speed and pedal brakes. I road it up and down the street about 7 times and my thighs are burning. But what a blast. He put a basket on the front for me and I located my helmet so I'm good to go. There is no reason I can't ride the bike for errands instead of my 8 cylinder suv. I think I'm really going to enjoy it. At least until it gets too hot out. I need to work out security issues for grocery stops, but hopefully my husband can instruct me there. Steaks tonight. And I'm going to try a mock mashed potato recipe using frozen cauliflower. The real thing for the boys. Later gang. |
| Bronwyn | posted 5-Apr-2009 3:49pm Connie did you see the recipe I posted about making it part potato and part cauliflower that is what I am doing tonight. I buy chicken wings and cut massive amounts of fat off of them.....it amazing how much fat is on them. I marinate them in hot sauces and bake them.......they are really good and not disgustingly greasy like normal wings. So we will have those with the "mashed potatoes", big chop salad and a spinach salad. Then I am making 3 min. chocolate cakes with fresh strawberries and a dollop of cream. That is eating low starch.......woohoo!!!! I am so jealous of all of the bike talk. I told my husband I want to sell the house and move to a city into a nice little neigborhood that I can bike ride around. I have a romantic image of going daily to the store and filling my little bike basket with fresh produce.......like European romantic little neighborhood and daily marketing. If we don't do it soon though I will then be too old and need a big trike |
| Connie | posted 5-Apr-2009 4:53pm I did see adult bikes with 3 wheels! How cool is that? They will be waiting for us when we need them. I really want to ride my bike to the stores, but I don't know where to secure them or how to lock them up yet. All of the grocery stores are across a 5 lane hwy. That is going to be the only part I dread. And our town doesn't have side walks along the highway and riding in the road at that part is a bit scary. But I'll figure it out. I prefer riding on the sidewalks, although some towns do not want you to. I'll call tomorrow. I always see people biking without helmets, especially children. That is so terrible. So, at least I have that part covered. My fam is not ready for mock potatoes yet, in any ratio. I'll get them there...I just need time. I'm going to go back and look at the 3 min chocolate cake recipe. That sounds perfect! |
| K10 | posted 5-Apr-2009 4:57pm Bronwyn: I was talking to my hubby about how we haven't heard from Kathleen in so long and how I hope she and/or her family are OK. He knows about this site, but if something happened would he think to write on it? I just told to, so we are good. My friend who passed away in January played online games and I know his family was talking about how to let the people know. Connie: Yay on the bike. Yay for a son who would buy you one. I live close enough to ride to 2 different stores, but as it gets warm I know I won't do that. How do you make your mock mashed potatoes. I never had made them, but I have heard how you think they are the real thing. Get a chain and lock and just lock the bike up outside of the store. Some even have bike racks. Well I had corn tortillas for lunch, a total of 4. I went to El Pollo Loco for lunch and asked them to make a cheese quesadilla with corn tortillas and they did. It was good. I thought that was nice of them. I am going out to my ladies dinner on Thursday and I think that we are going to my favorite Mexican restaurant. I think I will just get a cheese enchilada a la carte and eat the chips and salsa. I usually get just rice instead of rice and beans, but if I exclude that, I will maybe be ahead of the GL game. Bronwyn: How do you do the happy and sad faces? |
| Bronwyn | posted 5-Apr-2009 7:18pm K10 I am not at all computer savvy so believe me there is nothing complicated with the happy faces,,,,,,I was surprised the first time that the computer did it........ I have always done this : - ) (you know I left spaces or else this site would have just turned it into a happy face....... a sad face turn the smile upside down ( ........I have no idea why but the site then does the rest. K10 I am glad that I am not crazy.....well maybe I am......but the same thing happens to me when I try to post a link I get shut down. Others seem to be able to do it. |
| Connie | posted 5-Apr-2009 7:38pm I got so excited about the chocolate dessert, I ran to the store and bought supplies! I hope I can try it tonight. Here's the Scalloped Cauliflower recipe 1 bag frozen cauliflower 1/4 cup finely chopped onion 8 oz cheddar cheese 4 oz heavy cream salt and pepper to taste thin pats of butter crumbled cooked bacon Rinse cauliflower under cool water in a colander to separate pieces. Spray large casserole with Pam. Layer 1/2 cauliflower on bottom. Season with salt and pepper, then layer half of the onions and thinly sliced pats of butter. Sprinkle with half of the cheese. Repeat layers. Pour cream over top. Sprinkle with bacon. Bake 45 minutes. The directions were very vague about the amounts of bacon and butter to use. I haven't made it yet so I can't be sure. I guess we'll just eyeball it. I bought a bottle holder for my bike (to go with the basket!) and a chain. There is no place to tie up at in front of WM. I'm going to have to chain it to the fencing at the garden center. No problem. But I will be speaking to the manager about a bike rack. Time to clean the kitchen and try out the chocolate cake. |
| Debbie M | posted 5-Apr-2009 7:47pm When I was researching weight loss surgery I belonged to a support group. They had a memorial site. It was so sad. People would die for various reasons. Either after the surgery or before. Their family members would update these sites to let us all know what happened. Mostly the people who died were the ones whose health was so bad, the surgery was a last ditch efford to safe their lives. Many didn't even make it to their surgery dates. It was so sad. Of course most were just fine. I would hate to have one of you dissappear and never know what happened. But we are all much too young to be worrying about that yet. smile |
| Connie | posted 5-Apr-2009 8:54pm My dessert plans feel apart. My husband told me he didn't eat strawberries. Actually, I can't think of any fruit he'll eat! Anyway, instead of cake he wanted ice cream. When my son heard ice cream, he wanted some too. So it's just me having a healthy dessert tonight. I'm having sliced strawberries and sf cool whip. BTW, when my son and I were at WM getting my bike this morning, guess who walked by???? The cutie patootie form the vets office. I called out to her and she stopped. She stared at me for a few seconds, she didn't recognize me at all. I had no make up on and my hair had not been straightened. I told her who I was and she smiled and hugged me. I introduced her to my son and they were both grinning and feeling awkward. I told them to go have a cup of coffee or a drink or something. It was so cute. She had some place to get to so I told them to please take 5 minutes and exchange numbers or make a date or something!!! Then I left them alone. They visited for a few minutes. Eventually my son found me and seemed very pleased. They exchanged numbers and maybe next weekend they can get together. I told my son he doesn't have to marry her, just have some fun. OMG, she looked so pretty today. She had on make up and everything. It was so funny when she didn't recognize me...make up and hair appliances really really transform me. So everyone keep your fingers crossed that they make it on a date! This has been a great day. I got to spend some time outside and move around. Even my daughter was nice to me on the phone! I am quickly coming up on my 1 year NFNS anniversary. It's in June I think, or maybe the end of May. I'll have to look it up. This is a plan we can stick to. We just need to find things on it that we like. When I was looking for veggie side dishes the other morning I realized again how much time we really need to put into learning new foods if we want to be successful. Once we do that, it's pretty easy. OK, I guess it's harder for those of you with children. I can see that. But if you do the best that you can do, it will add up. My kids are pretty open about what I prepare, as is my husband. I think they are just happy for a meal most of the time. Well, there was the chocolate pork chop.....! |
| Hilda | posted 5-Apr-2009 11:08pm I have had my 1 year anniversary as of April 1. Eighteen pounds in one year lost. I wanted it to be at least 20, but I am happy to say the 18 is gone without being hungry or feeling deprived, and most important- no sickness or doctor bills! I also got plenty of sleep. Now this year is the year of adding exercise. Somebody give me some advice about getting started on the treadmill, please. I went to Sam's today and the only Laughing Cow cheese they had was Swiss, but I was happy to finally find it. |
| Kathleen | posted 6-Apr-2009 12:11am Good evening everyone. Just catching up on the posts. Thank you for your concern!! I weigh in again 2 weeks from tomorrow. Last 4 weeks I lost only 1.1 pounds, but 4 3/4 inches. |
| K10 | posted 6-Apr-2009 3:20am Kathleen: I am so glad to hear from you. Losing 1.1 pounds is better than gaining. The inches are more important than pounds. I don't care what I weigh, if I am in a smaller size or my clothes are more comfortable. Hilda: Good job on the 18 pounds and especially the staying healthier part. I have a hard time on the treadmill, I prefer to walk outside. Maybe there are some helpful hints online? We just finished watching Schindlers List with my 13 year old daughter. She is interested in learning about the Holocaust. My 14 year old didn't want to watch. She enjoys history more than my youngest, so this has been interesting to see my youngest want to learn about such things. She may even do a research project on it and she wants to go to a museum regarding the Holocaust. They grow up so fast don't they? Good Night |
| Bronwyn | posted 6-Apr-2009 5:56am Congratulations Hilda on your 18 lb. loss and your NFNS anniversary. Kathleen look at Hilda's good solid weight loss and it is less that two lbs. a month.......you are totally on the right track especially with the inches. Mind you I guess I am just assuming you were discouraged and maybe that wasn't the case at all. For some reason I am a total wreck on a treadmill.....I always feel like I don't have enough control. Now with my bad knee I would never dare do the tread mill because it would be too easy to twist my knee. I have friends who love their treadmills and use them faithfully. WARNING BELOW IS A SUMMARY OF SOME READING FROM DR. THOMPSON.....IF YOU AREN'T INTERETED FEEL FREE TO SKIP THE REST OF THIS POST!!!!! I need to get serious about exercise. Dr. Thompson believes we have to exercise every 48 hours to reverse insulin resistance. He said the beneficial effects of exercise only lasts 48 hours whether you ran a marathon or walked 2 miles. He says if you have a sedentary job and only exercise on the week-end then your body spends 4 days out of 7 with higher than normal insulin levels and your weight regulating systems are out of kilter so your body then trys to store calories as fat. He talks about walking 40 minutes every other day and the benefits it will provide. Dr. Thompson says that only a handful of food have too high of a gylcemic load........bread, potatoes, rice, breakfast cereals other than 100% bran or original Fibre ! (not the cluster ones). pasta and pop. More than one average serving of these high gylcemic foods together with your other smaller G.L. foods will be enough to push your intake over 500. If you were to eat 3 full servings of these a day it would definitely promote weight gain, heart disease and diabetes. You are simply causing your body to have to produce too much insulin. Man I come from the old school......what were we told we were suppose to have on the American Food Guide.......8-12 servings of grains a day????? Why did Dr. Thompson become so interested in all of this......a few years ago he found out he had diabetes. He said his wife's first instinct was to get rid of all of their cookbooks and go and buy all new books for cooking for diabetes. He said don't do that as it is totally unnecessary and you may also not even get the right information. His research and experience found that starch was the real culprit and problem......he said if you must buy new books buy great recipe books like "Silver Palate" and "The Joy of Cooking". He said look for recipes that don't have a lot of starch in them......a tablespoon or two of flour or 1/2 cup of bread crumbs to hold a full size recipe together isn't a deal breaker. Remember that low carb is not the same as low starch. Most of these low carb recipes are okay but watch them because they can go too far in eliminating good things.....like fruits, veggies, milk products and small amounts of sugar and yet not really paying attention to the real problem starch. Others promote the use of lots of high starch foods like breads and rice and potatoes. Way too many people start their day with glucose shock by consuming.....high starch cereals, toast and jam and then top if off with fruit juice. Your day is really off to a bad start. Isn't this the standard "special K" breakfast. Excess weight triggers a vicious cycle it worsens insulin resistance, and insulin resistance, in turn, promotes more weight gain. The more overweight you are the worse your insulin resistance is. Some overweight people have worse insulin resistance than others. There is a way to determine this......take a tape measure and measure your abdominal circumference right at your navel. Regardless of your height if your circumference at your navel measured more than 38" for a male or 34" for a female than your risk of diabetes doubles. ,,,,,, 36" for a woman and it triples and 38" for a woman and it quadruples. Holy Cow this is really, really bad news for me,,,,,,I carry alot of weight there. However for the silver lining he says that the worse insulin resistance the more dramtic will be your progress. Concentrate on reducing your starches and exercising at least every 48 hours and your body shape will change dramatically. Your abdomen will shrink before the rest of you does. He goes on to say that in fact the best way to monitor your progress is by your abdominal measurement or the way your pants fit. The above was some info from Dr. thompson's book. I am curious about all of your abdominal measurements mine is so scary. Connie you have lost alot of weight and you are wearing a size 10 pant yours must be less than 34 right?????? Holy Moly this is really a new inspiration for me and a reason for me to not just hapzardly do the low starch program. I am writing Dr. Thompson for some clarification on the way he meaures the load.......his being stay under 500 and Shaklee for my weight to stay under 80. I really think I need to understand that better. Do any of you want to ask any question as if you do I will add that on as well? Today for some reason.....truthfully not sure why.......I ate a little off program and I know that this is not going to get me heading anywhere to do well for a few days and then relapse. Well I want to sleep......I may have to go try that again. Listen I will go back up to where I started this summarizes of info from the book so for those who don't want to read all of this they will know to just skip right over |
| Connie | posted 6-Apr-2009 9:39am Morning 145.4 this morning. Bronwyn, that was good info. I really want to watch my starches and avoid s&f. That's the plan anyway. Yesterday I was able to. Last night instead of potatoes I had cottage cheese with my steak and green beans. I had forgotten all about cottage cheese! That was one of my original staples. So I'm going back to it. My naval is practically at my waist. But my measurements at my navel was 33 in, at my waist 30. My waist has always been small, it's my hips and thighs that seem out of proportion. Regardless, I worry about diabetes. My friend that was diagnosed a few years ago was a size 6. She consumed a very high starch/sugar diet. There was a nice article on sparkspeople.com this morning. It said to be very aware of yourself. One cheating meal easily turns into one cheating day which can easily turn onto one cheating week. Congrats Hilda on your anniversary! 18 lbs gone...and staying gone. In the past if I would lose anything, it never stayed off for a year. In fact, every year added weight! I hope you treated yourself to something wonderfully indulgent. You deserve it. Laughing Cow is swiss. Get the reduced fat if you can. Kathleen, good to hear from you! Stay in touch. Inches rule! My big plans for a bike ride have been dampened by cool weather. High of 50 today, and not there yet. I don't know, do people bundle up in hats and gloves and coats and jump on their bikes? I've decided to put it off until tomorrow. |
| Hilda | posted 6-Apr-2009 10:03am Has everyone heard about the Dave Ramsey Town Hall meeting that churches are doing on April 23rd? I think we should all go hear what he has to say about surviving this economy. The website is www.townhallforhope.com |
| K10 | posted 6-Apr-2009 11:46am Bronwyn: Thanks you so much for your post. My exercise buddy has been on jury duty. She had to go back today, so I can't exercise with her. I did walk around a huge mall on Friday and after I read your post I decided I would walk today. I was planning on just going back to bed after dropping my kid off at school. So I came home and put my dog in her stroller, I know, I know, don't even get my hubby started on this one. I have a Dachshund who will walk on a leash, but she only goes so far. I have tried dragging her and all that happened was bloody paws. She will walk on a leash to go potty if we are camping or I need her to go out front. She seemed to enjoy her walk and so did I. I was able to see a hawk flying over head, I believe it was building or adding to its nest. I live in a city/suburb. It is amazing that I can still see things like hawks and squirrels. My waist is higher than my belly button and that measurement is 38, my navel was 46, which I have considered my hips when I measure. I am as good as diabetic if this weight doesn't keep coming off. Have a good NFNS day ladies. |
| Bronwyn | posted 6-Apr-2009 12:45pm K10.....like I say I am huge at my navel. My waist is 37 and my hips are 47......my navel 48. I used to have a small waist and a super flat stomach. I must be insulin resistant. This is making me take this even more seriously. Insulin resistant people ahve a really hard time losing weight.......does that sound like me???? Connie how wonderful to be 33 " at the navel.....WOW! |
| K10 | posted 6-Apr-2009 12:57pm Bronwyn: It looks like we have similar numbers. I am 5 feet tall, how tall are you? I just had fruit for breakfast, should I have done that? Too late now. I bought some already cut up fruit and its date is today, so I wanted to eat it. With friends of mine, I have noticed if they have a flatter stomach they seem to have bigger hips and thighs and the ones with a bigger stomach have smaller hips and thighs. I think we may be on our way to really having success. I am not weighing until tomorrow, my normal day. My measurements are the same as last month, I am kind of bummed about that. This is my PMS week though. I notice as I lose weight, I seem even more bloated at that time of the month. On top of feeling blah from my cycle I get the joy of feeling huge. Of course, the last weigh in for my class is next week, when my monthly visitor will be in full swing. Oh well. Big picture I suppose. |
| Bronwyn | posted 6-Apr-2009 1:39pm I used to be 5' 7" but I am closer to 5' 6" now. I have an hour glass figure,,,,,47/37/47.......I am 10 inches bigger on all of my measurements than I used to be...........weird,,,,,,a whole 10 inches on each measurment but it must be even more than that on my abdomen. It sounds like following Low G.L. that our abdomen will be the first to shrink. I may just use that as a measurement and stay off the scales...... K10 I think you should have had some protein with your fruit.....such as cottage cheese or plain yoghurt. I read some reviews on that last night. Mind you I have always been told that. |
| Bronwyn | posted 6-Apr-2009 1:52pm K10.....get out your cruiser and go to the library  and read "The insulin-Resistant Diet----Revised and Updated" by Cherlye Hart................she talks all about the combining of protein and fruit. |
| Connie | posted 6-Apr-2009 3:07pm I have a huge stomach ache today. I think it's from the sf cream whip I had last night. I had A LOT of it. Way too much I'm sure, but the strawberries seemed tart to me. I feel extremely bloated. The good news is I know it will pass soon. I'm going to try and do a few desserts from the NFNS cookbook. Apples seem to be the fruit everyone can agree on. |
| Bronwyn | posted 6-Apr-2009 3:17pm I am going to risk being shut down......I want to post the ingredient list for sugar free cool whip......it is so popular and this ingredient list scares me to death....................so good bye and fare well for 48 hours if I get shut down for doing this............ |
| Bronwyn | posted 6-Apr-2009 3:20pm COOL WHIP - WHIPPED TOPPING - SUGAR FREE - SUGAR FREE Ingredients: WATER, CORN SYRUP*, HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OIL (COCONUT AND PALM KERNEL OILS), LESS THAN 2% OF SODIUM CASEINATE (FROM MILK), NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR, MODIFIED CORN STARCH, XANTHAN AND GUAR GUMS, POLYSORBATE 60, SORBITAN MONOSTEARATE, SODIUM POLYPHOSPHATES, ACESULFAME POTASSIUM AND ASPARTAME* (SWEETENERS), BETA CAROTENE (COLOR). *ADDS A TRIVIAL AMOUNT OF SUGAR. **PHENYLKETONURICS: CONTAINS PHENYLALANINE. Size: 8 OZ Please ladies this is totally garbage we need to boycott putting such garbage and chemcials into our bodies.......much more satisfying is a tablespoon maybe 2 of real cream,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Connie do you think any of these ingredients could be responsible for your stomache ....... it is saying please Connie I can't deal with this chemical soup. |
| Connie | posted 6-Apr-2009 3:39pm I think the cool whip has given me this stomach ache. I have heard artificial sweeteners can give you gas, but I am beyond musical! And it hurts. When I first bought my NFNS book I followed all the instructions. I went on line and bought Fruitsweet, the natural sweetener Dr Gott recommends for some of his recipes. Then I never even used it. I am going to try it on my strawberries. Bronwyn, when you say real cream, do you mean heavy cream? I have some in my freezer. |
| K10 | posted 6-Apr-2009 5:24pm Bronwyn: I hope you aren't lost for 2 days. Only time will tell I suppose. I had heard about eating protein with fruit and I did when I ate the apples from my fruit salad. I ate them with peanut butter. I think it tastes good to me, because it makes me think of carmel dip or something. Connie: I am sorry about your stomach ache. I am trying to not use sweeteners except on rare occasions. I figure when the names are that complicated it can't be good for me. I am trying to eat a lower glycemic load and it seems all I want are corn tortillas in one way or another. I will keep track and see what number I end up with at the end of the day. I did stop buying Triscuits for right now, since I was snacking on them too much. It seems like I don't have as much variety when I think about excluding corn tortillas or Ezekiel bread. I open the fridge and wonder what to eat???? My husband said when he was in TN he ordered a Pepsi and it was so sweet he couldn't drink it and later he ordered a diet and it was too sweet too. Bye for now. |
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