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No Flour, No Sugar Diet

Summary

Dr. Gott's No Flour, No Sugar Diet presents a simple, straight-forward way to lose weight and keep it off for a lifetime. All you need do is eliminate flour and sugar from your diet.

Description

This diet book contains common-sense techniques on how to eat better and achieve a healthier lifestyle. It gets you to focus on foods that are nutritional and satisfying. Thus, you can both lose weight and become healthier in the process.

You can eat brown rice, lean meats, low-fat dairy products, fruits and vegetables. But, you have to stop eating foods like bagels, pasta, bread, cereal, white rice, cookies, sweets, and cakes.

Many excellent recipes are included in the book with have no flour and sugar, yet taste delicious.

The approach is to keep things simple by just eliminating flour and sugar, the two primary food ingredients that are causing the obesity problem in America. Our culture has become addicted to sweets. This book helps you break the addiction and get on track for eating healthier while losing that extra weight.

History

Dr. Gott is a medical columnist published in over 350 newspaper daily. He is a practicing physician with a general practice in Connecticut. He's also the director of medicine at Hotchkiss School (a prep-school).

Criticism

Giving up bread and sweets may simply be too hard for some people. Sugar is in a great majority of products sold today. While the diet sounds simple, implementing it and sticking to it is quiet a challenge.

31-Aug-2006 11:02am created by bill

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Connie	posted 6-Apr-2009 6:56pm My stomach let up and I realized I was starving! What to do? I haven't figured out exactly what to eat, like you K10, I opened up the frig and stared. So of course I gave in and had rice cakes and cheese. Then I had some sliced strawberries with some of the fruitsweet on it. The fruitsweet taste like pears and has the consistency of syrup. Very tasty! I liked it with the strawberries, but I used a ton of it. I'm not buying any more strawberries. What I have to do to them to make them sweet enough for me is a crime! Hopefully the weather will warm up and I can get outside and move around some more. I've started a grocery list with easy snack vegetables on it. I'll get some celery and put some laughing cow on it. I plan on circling the produce department at least three times! I've also decided to include the brown rice with cottage cheese and chopped tomatoes side dish in my menus. I'll just make sure to go light on the rice. Potatoes and breads I can live without. And I haven't been craving the figs anymore! Funny how once I decide I can't have something, I let it go. Except my nacho's. Ok, I have to go run some errands. Bronwyn, if your not on because you sacrificed yourself to save us from the chemical soup, well...thanks! Your a hero.
kathy	posted 6-Apr-2009 7:07pm Connie-That happened to me once with Cool Whip. The regular Cool Whip. I had a bunch of fruit with Cool Whip for supper (evening meal). That was the only food I had. Strawberries were part of the serving. BIG stomach ache. I'll never do that again. I thought it was the fruit!! Maybe it was because I didn't combine it with protein. I do lots of Greek Yogurt with fruit now. Right now with bananas and craisins. I also love some cheese called Boar's Head Cream Havarti Cheese. K10- We saw a hawk coasting over us while walking last Saturday. Do they have about a 3 foot wing span? Then, (I think this was the same day) two large birds (maybe the hawks) were MATING right on top of someone's roof!!! These are not big houses in our neighborhood. Split levels and tri-levels with about 2/3 acre each. No privacy for those birds! I guess the woods around our town have been pretty well depleted the last 10 years. Bronwyn-my measurements are somewhat of a joke. I can get the tape to say 31" about 1 inch above the navel. It's kind of tight though. My pants have to be 14's because my stomach is somewhat LARGE. We are going to Florida Wednesday. Eating healthy won't be easy.
Connie	posted 6-Apr-2009 9:24pm Did any of you see the Kathy Ireland weight gain article? Wow! This can happen to anyone. Grow older...gain weight...lose it over time. Google it. Or, the article is in People magazine. I guess that is just the way our bodies work...calories and too much starch and sugar over time, and inactivity, and people gain 50 or so lbs. The link I went to let me look at other celeb weight losses. It was fun...we are in good company! My appetite came back with a vengeance. Oh my...prosciutto and mozzarella again. I am really beginning to think that I've had about all the winter/indoors/blah life that I can stand. If I can't get moving soon I'm going to start gaining. I can feel it. Today my size 10's were too tight. Either I shrunk them in the dryer or I'm gaining. The game's on . Go Michigan State!!!!
Bronwyn	posted 6-Apr-2009 10:16pm Honey, Connie......of course you shrunk them in the dryer Dryers shrink clothes......I would never dare put a pair of pants in the dryer, I would for sure not beable to wear them. Connie you already know how to do well with your weight.....you have been so successful. I think when you feel like you are heading the wrong direction go back to how you did this program in the first place for a few days. You really don't have to sweat it too much......that wasn't intended to be a pun but going on to say you haven't even started to exercise yet so once you do that then you are set. K10 we are the only ones reporting the scary abdomen measurements.......my understanding is that with abdomen's this size we are most likely insulin resistant and that we need to eat in a way that our body doens't have to produce so much insulin.....such as low glycemic load. You are younger than me and not in menoppause yet so this will be easier for you. Today I ate a bowl of cottage cheese, topped with sliced strawberries (which by the way Connie were nice and sweet) and then topped with 1/2 cup fibre one. I simply can't eat eggs everyday......or actually seldom. This is a low glycemic load breakfast and I eat it often. For lunch I made a big lentil soup and the home made cheese crackers (super rich......they are okay but I am not in love with them.....seem so high fat), I haven;t been hungry for snacks but I was out and incredibly thirsty and I did have a diet coke.....weird, I so seldom do that but that is 2 in 2 weeks. I am making a cheeseburger meatloaf and then I will have a chopped salad and fruit and yoghurt for dessert. Kathleen I love the Greek Yoghurt......that is a great thing to have with some berries. Kathleen why are your measurements a joke......I would love your joke......a 31" abdomen (I guess I would sure be laughing heartily and happily if that was me......is that the joke I did not get kicked off the site for posting the ingredient list for Cool Whip.......maybe it is just URL"S I can't paste......not sure. We have some beautiful little birds in our yard.........bright yellow and bright blue (in nice weather). We also have big birds. WE have the occassional fox......I love it when they run across the field. They used to live behind me and we saw them all the time but then the neighbor on the next acreage over got two big guard dogs that live outside full time. I think that discouraged the fox from living here unfortunately. I don't see the coyotes but I can hear them. We have some deer that wander through. The thing I hate is the gophers and moles that you start seeing this time of year......digging big holes and leaving messes. I have 3 cats this year so I think that may deter them big time. I am going to check out Kathy Ireland.
Bronwyn	posted 6-Apr-2009 11:45pm It seems to me that these celebrities can make a lot of money by professing to have gotten fat and lost it. The before pic could have been when she was pregnant or just after birth. In the before pic she is certainly more than 25 lbs. heavier than the pic beside her. Anyways great on losing the weight I guess!
Debbie M	posted 6-Apr-2009 11:48pm My daughter is so aggravating. She asked to have her friend spend the night. I said yes. At 11:00 PM she found out that our neighbor had a friend spend the night too and begged if they could go over there for a while. I said no but she talked me into it. I said only half hour and she had to be back. She called from their house at the time she was suppose to be home begging for all the girls to come over to our house. I said she was suppose to be home and no, to come home. Now she is just coming in the door. I could just ring her neck. All this after she spent the night at the friends house last night. Spring break! I saw the Kathy Ireland thing. She is my husbands favorite swimsuit model. I had to tell him she got fat. lol He imediatley wanted to see a picture. heh. So I printed it out and taped it to the coffee maker for him to see in the AM. She is inspireing. I might just have to get busy and lose this darn weight now. Cool whip, sooooo bad. I never realized it. Yuck. 49, 41 waist, 43 navel, 44 hips. Mine are the worst. 5'5" 201.5 lbs. Ouch (used to be 36, 24, 36) Those were the days............
Debbie M	posted 6-Apr-2009 11:53pm hey Bronwyn you are awake.
Bronwyn	posted 7-Apr-2009 12:27am DebbieM. it is only 10:27 here and I am never in bed that early. I should maybe try it sometime and see how that works
K10	posted 7-Apr-2009 2:08am Bronwyn: Yay you didn't get kicked off, that is cool. Kathy Ireland has always been beautiful. Her tummy did look a little post-partum didn't it? What is in the cheese crackers? I have made what Suzanne Somers calls cheese chips I believe. You put parmesan cheese in small piles in a pan on the stove and they melt together and then you flip them over. I wish this blog could be more like an instant message thing. Oh well. Kathy: I saw the hawk again tonight on the very top of this very tall pine tree. They probably have a similar wingspan. I actually walked twice today. We live in a city of about 50 some thousand and we have larger cities around us. We do get our occasional coyote in the neighborhood, they are usually looking for kitties. The Greek yogurt I have had, tasted like sour cream is that what you guys are talking about? I need some easy food ideas, can you guys help me with that? Debbie M: How old is your daughter? My daughter is asking if her friends can spend the night this weekend or next week? My problem right now with her is, she kept talking in church yesterday and now she has to sit with us for 3 weeks on Sundays. I don't really feel like giving her priviledges when she has misbehaved. My daughter is starting to learn if I am going to pick her up at a certain time don't even ask if she can stay later. Not yet anyway. She tried the first time she went to a friends house with a group of kids from church, I thought I need to nip this in the bud right now. All this talk of strawberries I think I am going to get some from the strawberry stand soon. Do you guys watch House, wow was I surprised! I won't say anymore than that in case you want to watch it without being spoiled.
Connie	posted 7-Apr-2009 10:02am Morning. 145.6 this morning. I'm pleased...I thought it was going to be worse. I started eating yesterday afternoon and didn't stop! But everything was NFNS. I'm staying away from the strawberries and I've decided to avoid desserts. I was flipping through cookbooks and everything had large quantities of artificial sweetener. I really have never used much of it before. Only on my cereal and Ezek raisin bread. I'm not having those now so I think I will just let it go. I was talking to my husband about it and he looked at me curiously and said, "we are really not dessert people anyway." And he's right. I never make dessert. So that's that! Bronwyn, I always hang up my pants to dry. But I do fluff them them up in the dryer for a few minutes before I put them away. I'm not going to try them on for a few days. Maybe I'll get rid of this puffy feeling. Too cold to ride my bike again. Darn it! Today I have to go to the store, drop off bill, etc. I really wanted to try that on my bike. Oh well. Soon enough I'll get my chance. Debbie, I feel your pain! My daughter was such a huge pain in the you know what! She was a first class manipulator! She could give lessons. She always knew the best time to pressure for something. And I was very strict with her, but they all do it. It really is part of growing up. Deep breath, stand firm. You know, people always say that our daughters will turn completely one day and be our angels. I'm still waiting, although it is better. Hang in there. In the article I read about Kathy Ireland it said she's lost 25 lbs so far, but wants to lose 25 more. My son used to have a poster of her in his room. I asked him if he wanted to see a picture of her fat, he yelled "no." I guess it's just our turn at the middle age "weight issue" stage of life. This is totally non food related, but I wanted to share. I bought some VO5 hot oil treatment. Any of you ever use that? OMG, I love it. My hair is so naturally dry and frizzy. Yesterday I looked a little bit silky, it still didn't feel silky, but almost. I remember others on this site had curly hair, so I'm saying if you haven't tried it, do. My biopsy of the tissue around my toe came back normal. So now I suppose they will want to biopsy the nail. I really don't want to go trough that again. But it is still so sore. I'm thinking I want the nail removed. My mom did that and she said hers grew back out fine...no more pain. I'll discuss it with them tomorrow. If I do that, I want to go to a surgeon. That is one lesson I have learned in life. If your getting cut, go to a surgeon. Ok, lot's to do today...lists to make...places to go. You all have a great morning.
K10	posted 7-Apr-2009 10:22am I weighed 179.2 this morning, I started January 19th at 194.0. I am into the next bracket. Did I spell that right? I need to go drop my kid off at school, I will talk to you later.
Bronwyn	posted 7-Apr-2009 12:19pm K10.....congratulations! I just looked up the recipe to review what was in it and noticed that it had sunflower seeds......yesterday when I made this I could have sworn it said pumpkin seeds (which is what I used). TOO-GOOD CHEESE CRACKERS 8 oz. sharp cheddar 1 1/2 cups hulled sunflower seeds 1/2 tsp.salt 2 tsp. dry mustard 1/2 tsp. paprika 1/2 tsp. baking powder pinch cayenne 2 tablespoons water Preheat the oven 350 degrees Using the shedding disk on your food processer shred the cheese...remove the cheese and save in your food processor...process the sunflower seeds until they turn to flour add the rest of the ingredients except water and process with the sunflower flour until all combined with the processor going......feed the grated cheese through the food chute ...slowly the mixture will start to form a ball.....continue adding your cheese when the cheese is all added then add your water and process until all combined turn the dough out and form 2 balls........at this stage I was worried as it seems like a greasy messy mess you roll each ball between 2 sheets of parchment paper the size of your cookie sheet.......they will roll really thin and this is how you make thin crispy crackers......cook 15 minutes and do the same with the other ball..........oh I forgot and this is important......score your crackers....my cookie sheet is the large jelly roll size and i made two of those pretty much full.....she says she gets 40 crackers per ball.......roll them very thin and even for even baking, score them in the size you want and N.B,** cook on parchment don't forget this. The crackers are very crispy and cracker like still today...........the whole recipe is large next time I am going to make a half of a batch......very rich you don't want many .....I am going to try it with roasted red pepper hummous and veggies for a snack.......she said to just keep them in an airtight container.......I have them in pryrex with a tight lid. I wish I had not made so many as I would like to try the nutty bran crackers......they are not nearly as rich ... no cheese. I keep eating a cracker as I type this trying to think as how to describe them...........I would say they taste a lot like a cheese ritz.
Bronwyn	posted 7-Apr-2009 12:21pm clarifications......remove the cheese from the food processor and save in another container.....so you can use your food processor
Bronwyn	posted 7-Apr-2009 12:26pm Connie this may be a dumb questions but do you wash your strawberries really well......I wash them in a vinegar bath and the water gets very dirty......then I rinse them really well........I do the same with my black betties which I love.........these crops are very heaviyl sprayed and all fruit organic or not is handled with who knows how clean of hands..........I wash all my fruits and veggies really well................also my strawberries have been so sweet.....I think you got some bad ones.
Bronwyn	posted 7-Apr-2009 12:28pm One more thing then I drain them on paper towel to get all of the mositure out..............or they will spoil too quickly......
Debbie M	posted 7-Apr-2009 1:28pm The daughter I was talking about is 13. Get this....She was invited to go shopping with her friend and their parents at The Lighthouse Mall about an hour away. I could only give her 15 bucks for a meal. It was last minute and hadn't counted it in the budget. The friend is an only child. My daughter came back with a shopping bag and a recipt for 93.00 the parents had spent on her. Her friend tried to take the recipt from my hand but I said no, I'll pay for it. I am soooooo not happy about it. Although I didn't show my displeasure to the girls. More grrrrrrrrr Her parents also paid for a couple meals. Don't get me wrong, I am happy my daughter got to have some things from these very high end stores, but I can't afford for her to shop like this. If the other parents want to spend money on her I guess it's their business but it makes me feel funny. I have 4 children and cannot eatout and shop like they do. They also have two incomes and we only have one. Now it is a burdon to come up with this extra hundred dollars. Any opinions here? Congrats on your weight loss K10! Super job! I'd like to try those crackers too. Thanks Connie, I know its normal, but I was very tired. They were all up past 2 AM. The kids next door were trying to come over and scare the 10 year olds who were sleeping in the familyroom. I know because I intercepted a phone call. heh The neighbor got scared and ran away when our motion sencor went off. I had to lay in bed and laugh out loud a couple times thinking of that one. Spring Break is just starting.
Connie	posted 7-Apr-2009 3:13pm Made it to the store without my list! Bought most of everything, but I may be making another trip tomorrow. The recipe reminds of one I used to make at the holidays, crispy cheese wafers. They taste so good and are so bad for you! Lots and lots of fat! I made them once for a church reception. The gentleman next to me in the serving line was in my SS class. He picked one up, took a bite, and then advised me not to get one...he said they were they worst peanut butter cookies he had ever tasted. It was priceless! I told him I brought them and he wanted to die! Then I told him they were not pb cookies, but cheese wafers. It was the fork marks on the top of them that caused the confusion. It really was funny. Bronwyn, I wash my strawberries good enough, I think. I also gently peeled the very top layer off to remove the seeds. I have always had such a aversion to any kind of tartness. It's a pain. I forgot that I had bought a bag of mandarin oranges. I looked it up on nutritiondata and it gave a gl of 3. So, I'm going to try and eat them, one a day, until they are gone. Debbie, you are absolutely correct in your displeasure over the shopping trip. Having them buy her food is fine, no problem, you would have done the same. But I would repay them immediately. I would do it with my daughter present. You can tell them that the gesture was lovely, but you can not accept it. Then, make sure your daughter knows to never accept gifts like that again. Explain to her your family values will not permit it. The parents may feel a little uncomfortable at first, but if they have any sense at all, they will get not only get over it, they will understand. And should they bring the topic up to friends, I'm sure their opinions will back you up. Still so much to do today!
Bronwyn	posted 7-Apr-2009 4:13pm I agree with Connie. Whenever we took our children's friends with us we would always pay for their food. I wouldn't worry about that at all. The clothes is really awkward. The best way for that not to happen again is for your daughter to fully understand that she is not to accept that.......which is so hard because who doens't want new clothes!!!! I am sorry that you have to make this expenditure at the moment that you weren't planning. I wonder if your daughter should have to make small monthly payments to you out of her allowance. Connie at a church picnic once I took a big pan of chocolate puff wheat squares.....I love them, so gooey and yummy. I was standing at the table and this friend said to me, ,,,,,,can you believe how lame some people are bringing puff wheat squares. It was so funny and I have never let him live it down. One persons treat I guess isn't always another persons treat, eh!!!! I am not really recommending the cheese crackers......I am not sure what I think of them. I keep eating them trying to decide ..... dumb, yes! Overall though they seem too high fat. I want to try the bran ones. I may try to freeze the rest of the cheese ones.....although I don't know how that will work or how long they will last on the shelf. I crumbled them on my lentil soup like you would corn chips and they were quite good. i am surprised how cracker like they are. I am sure I haven't had a cheese ritz for 20 years but in my memory that is what they taste like.
Bronwyn	posted 7-Apr-2009 4:15pm connie one more thing.....low gL fruits.....strawberries, apricot, grapefruit, plum, kiwi, peach, grapes, pineapple.............lots of choices
K10	posted 7-Apr-2009 5:56pm Connie: I agree with the other ladies in regards to the clothes. I would pay for my daughters friends meals, but I wouldn't buy clothes like that. The parents possibly did it to be nice, not thinking about how awkward of a position it would put you in. Bronwyn: I am not going to make the crackers, I don't know to eat that much cheese. I already eat enough. I have a question. You know how Dr. Gott doesn't want us to use flour, wouldn't that also include flour we have made? I think we have talked about this. It just seems that things that are made with flour are the things that can get us in so much trouble with munching. I wanted something to eat, but not too heavy or full of grain. I ended up eating corn flakes. I know they have added sugar, but my stomach was bugging me a little and I wanted something. I wonder how bad the GL is for those with milk? Too late now to do anything about. I would say, I miss cereal the most. I know I can have Uncle Sam and such, but those high fibre ones can really mess up my stomach and I have my weight loss class tonight and I don't want to be uncomfortable. Nice run-on sentence huh? My husband received an email from the guy in NM. It was a response to a short one my hubby sent on Friday. He told him he would get back to him as soon as he can and that he had been out of the office too. This guy has been very good at responding when he says he will. The waiting is killing me though and the girls ask every day if he has heard anything.
Bronwyn	posted 7-Apr-2009 6:24pm K10 it is a little confusing because although there is no flour added to corn chips.....the corn has been pulverized into a flour like mixture. On top of that the corn is high on the glycemic index or load but the nuts aren't. I agree that the crackers have a lot of cheese in them and like I say I really want to try the bran ones......no cheese, no oil but sunflower seeds, walnuts and bran. I wish I had tried those first actually. Anyways I don't know why the nuts being processed would be considered flour any more than the corn being processed for chips. With the cereal that grain has been processed as well to form the cereal....Connie described Uncle Sam to be more like grapenuts.....there is definitely a changing of the grain from a kernel to another product. I have no idea now what to think. However as far as the glycemic index goes.,,,,,grains are high and nuts are low. I also a concerned about how high fat a lot of the low carb recipes are.....I just can't feel good about that. Gee this is confusing, eh!!!! Anyways you guys are losing well without the extra worry about glycemic index or load......I think you should continue doing what you are doing and constantly looking at the best choices for good nutrition that are NFNS. Sorry about the anxiety of the waiting K10. I can totally relate,,,,,we are still waiting as well but don't even have anything concrete to be waiting for.
Connie	posted 7-Apr-2009 8:02pm I'm leaning towards not being a nut over this low gi or gl. Really, I have to enjoy my food. Today I bought some celery and laughing cow...did I eat it? Noooooo! I felt rushed so I nuked rice cakes and cheese. Heavens! Sometimes I am a lost cause. I haven't been putting the time into healthy dinners either. That was something I was doing really good on. And I wasn't trying to do extra things before, like desserts or dried fruit or in between meals snacks. Tonight I fixed acorn squash with mushrooms, italian sausage, shallots, tomatoes and parmesan. Half a squash was enough for a meal. I liked it ok, but it is rather bland. Next time I'll use more shallots. Anyway, a healthy meal and I'm satisfied. I never had my orange. I took me awhile to get back to the kitchen and by the time I did, I wasn't hungry. I haven't decided if I want to eat Uncle Sam's again. I'm doing ok without it.
Connie	posted 7-Apr-2009 8:04pm I stepped away from the computer and forgot to add, Hang in there K10. The waiting is the worst. We are all praying for you. Debbie, how did the refinancing come out...have you heard?
Bronwyn	posted 7-Apr-2009 8:30pm Connie I am with you......I have become so confused that I don't know what to eat and then eat worse than before just because I feel frustrated. I didn't buy Dr. gott's recipe book because I looked at it and thought there was too much artifical sweeteners in it. I think staying away from dessert and having more fruit and yoghurt or cottage cheese is a better choice anyways. I don't want to start feeling okay with adding extra fat to things either......I am opposed to that. Have your Uncle Sam really you did so well with that.....like you say you started to see less results when you added a lot of dried fruit....cut that back a bit. Connie you are already thin,,,,,,good abdomen measurement, good BMI......start to exercise and you can tigthen up those wobbly bits you are worried about.
Connie	posted 7-Apr-2009 9:24pm I think learning about the gl will serve us well. I do not feel like I can eat rice cakes, corn chips and cereal with abandon now. Before I didn't worry about it because of the NF rule. But now I know I will have to limit them. And for me, that's better than eliminating them. But they have to be part of my eating plan or I'll go nuts. I'm going to try and rely heavily on vegetables, small portions of lean meats and a small starch sides. I like the idea of brown rice over potatoes, but potatoes on occasion. How can that be bad????? I'm going to go a long, long time before I have any dried fruits. But I can still have my ns added pineapple. And 1/2 banana once in a while. I'm just going to go back to where I started, only wiser, and whatever weight loss I have is all right with me. I really like being able to eat until I'm full with a variety of choices. What a full day! Good night all.
Bronwyn	posted 7-Apr-2009 9:29pm Wow it seems so weird for some one to say good night when it is so bright and sunny out still. Connie,,,,moderation and sensibity that is what makes a good long term plan! I think I prefer Ezekail muffins over rice cakes but the rice cakes are certainly cheaper.
K10	posted 8-Apr-2009 1:55am I think we just need to be aware of what we eat and the quantity we eat. We need to pay attention to whether we are truly hungry or emotionally hungry. I think with the knowledge we have we can all succeed. Exercise is important as well. Thanks for the prayers as well. I feel much more relaxed since we received that email. This is a good time of year for fruits and veggies, so there is an advantage there as well. What are you guys making for Easter? I ordered a Honeybaked Ham today. I know there is added sugar, but this is part of Easter to me. I will try not to eat the honey and sugar crust that comes on it. I thought I would also make a potato dish that I usually make as well. It has cheese, sour cream, and green onion. I am supposed to put cream of chicken soup in it as well, I think I will use the recipe that Bronwyn(I think) gave a long time ago as a substitute. Asparagus or green beens for the veg and fresh strawberries for dessert. Anymore ideas?? It may just be the 4 of us. We really want to go to our church on Easter and the traffic is so bad, that we don't want to go to my folks. No bread on the menu this year. My girls are wondering what we are getting them for their Easter Baskets. I think maybe one piece of candy and a gift card or something like that.
Debbie M	posted 8-Apr-2009 2:52am We are still waiting to hear about the refinance. (Toe tapping) If this dosn't work out for us, God will open another door. I'm not worried. We just thought we'd take advantage of the low interest rates and combine another thing. I was thinking about what would get me motivated to do the work to get this weight off. I watch The Biggest Loser every Tuesday. This is the first year I have watched regularly. I've gotten attached to some of the personalities on the show as it seems I just happen to be at the TV when it came on each week. Did I tell you all what happened with my wedding picture? I don't think I did, so I will. Rachel's friend was over (13 yrs old) She picked up our wedding pic and said "Wow, you switched"! When we got married I was thin and he was heavy. Now I am fat and he is skinny. Boy there's nothing like just puttin it out there. Bronwyn, are you awake?
Bronwyn	posted 8-Apr-2009 4:00am Yes Debbie I am awake.....sadly enough as it is 2:00 here.......I just can't clear my mind. You know I am so desperate to lose weight that I am just making my self crazy. I have been doing so much reading that my head is spinning and I don't know which direction I am heading. All these different ideas make sense to me when I am reading them but when it comes time to live them ..... then I am confused. I love NFNS because it is easy but I also haven't found that it is all that successful for weight loss for ME! It seems like many on this site have had success with just plain doing NFNS,,,,,so I start to wonder if I am going to have to tweak things to make it work better....such as the GI idea. Then before you know it I am over eating and totally confused and ready to scream!
Bronwyn	posted 8-Apr-2009 4:05am Debbie M. when I was young my sister was chunky and I was really thin. Now as adults she is really thin and I am really chunky. It is kind of depressing. I actually have so many concerns at the moment that I need to just focus on something and do it......I am feeling overwhelmed in several departments.
Bronwyn	posted 8-Apr-2009 5:21am Debbie the thing about my sister and I .... was how we have switched and the pics are there to prove it. I do hate pictures .....they are cruel.
Angie	posted 8-Apr-2009 8:05am I understand the frustration of all these facts running around in your head but for me the biggest thing is trying to stay NFNS but more than that counting calories. As I have said before it is easier for me because it is just my husband and I but it works. My daughter wants to lose about five pounds and she works all the time. She is not a cook by any means. I am making her a list of meats, vegetables, fruits and misc. items with the serving size and calories. I am also giving her a list of healthy foods from fast food places since she eats on the run alot. I told her to make up deviled eggs or egg salad with a lot of celery and then eat it with crackers. Chicken salad or tuna salad with celery and fresh spinach chopped up in them are great too. The white cheddar rice crackers are great. They have no flour and you can eat 15 for 130 calories. My husband loves them too. You can also put red grapes in your chicken salad and you have your protein, fruit and vegetable. I make them with kraft light mayo (my weakness). I try to keep my calorie intake to 1500 a day and on the weekends I give myself 2000 a day for a treat. It is working and once you get use to it, it is easy. It just takes planning. I have ordered some powdered peanut butter suppose to be in today. Everyone on the internet seems to love it and for two tablespoons it is only 50 something calories. You just mix two tablespoons of water with it. The website is bell plantation without the space .com. I will let you know how it taste. I have peanut butter with green apples and a little truvia sprinkled on top almost every day. It is a most to write down what you eat and the calories because they add up fast but it is so satisfying at the end of the day to know you did and stuck to it. Have a great day!
2girls	posted 8-Apr-2009 10:22am Hello I have been reading some of the posts here and everyone seems so supportive! I need some advice with nfns, ok first a little background. I am more of a low carb/Atkins dieter, just not really counting carbs just eating the allowed foods. At one time 8 years ago I did lose 80lbs on the strict Atkins plan, of course gained all that plus more back. I think it was June 07 when I decide to go back to "low carb" just not really count the carbs (I didn't want to be so tired and I get really moody when I am really low carb) and lost 40lbs. So I was 295 and went down to 255, then I got pregnant in December 2007, and my heaviest before I delivered in August 2008 was 307, 4 weeks after I began my low carbing again and was holding at 269. I decided that I did want to try nfns a few weeks ago, more choices and my family would eat healthier since they would eat more of the nfns meals and it is cheaper to buy nfns instead of only meat, veggies, and cheese. Ok so here's my question I'm hoping to get some help on. Since I started nfns 2 or 3 weeks ago I have been bouncing back and forth between 272 and 276, so I have gained. I do feel some water retention, with eating low carb I wasn't really getting this water retention, but I think the rice and more starchy carbs may be the cuplrit? Does anyone think I should maybe limit myself to meat, veggies, and fruits and see how that goes first or should I give my body more time to adjust to the nfns way of eating? I would really like to stay on this plan as I was sooooo nervous adding carbs (other than veggies) in again, but I do seem to have more energy. Thanks in advance
Connie	posted 8-Apr-2009 10:33am Morning! 144.0 this morning. Going back to the old plan is working for me. I use rice cakes as my bread. When I top them with cheese it lowers the GL. So I'm on my way again. My lowest weight ever was 143.4. If I never go below that, so be it. By not watching the scales go up a little everyday, I feel more in control. I am very fortunate in that I don't struggle with overeating. Last night when I was typing my "good night," I realized that Bronwyn was probably just getting to the point in the day when she could contribute to the site! I am an early to bed gal. Always have been, always will be! After I sign off, I always read for an hour or two. Ive been in the "switched" category as well. Pictures sure give you the truth! One of my sisters sent me a "smilebox" for my birthday. There I was, HUGE! I am convinced it was F and S that did that to me. This year there will be more family pictures. I can't wait until next years "smilebox." I'm off to the dermatologist this morning. I'm torn. She may want to biopsy the nail. If that is going to hurt as much as the last biopsy, I don't want to do it. It really hurt. Time to be a big girl here. The toe still looks infected, so maybe she will let me put it off. I'll share when I get home. Angie, good for you for putting in all the research into foods you can eat. I love lists! Seems to me you can't go wrong and your really helping your daughter. I can't wait until my daughter gets home for the summer. She is going to see a whole new way of eating. She will never be "thin." My husbands gene pool is short and stocky. But her hip to waist ratio has always been healthy and this last year that has changed for the negative. But I'm going to do my best to help her. One day she would like to get liposuction and I will support her in that. She truly is a good candidate. This topic is very controversial, but her body is way out of proportion. She's coming home this weekend and bringing her bike. If my toe isn't too sore, we are going to ride around town. Debbie, I hope you hear something today, something good! Great day all.
K10	posted 8-Apr-2009 11:04am Hello 2 girls. It is funny you bring this question up. Someone I know just told me last night that she has added fruit to her Atkins way of eating and she is losing weight. You may want to take it more slowly with the rice and potatoes. I know when I did Atkins a while ago, that when I had carbs I gained quickly. I don't like Atkins because my husband and I both had problems with short term memory loss because of the low carbs. Remember that just because we can have corn, potatoes and rice we need to watch portion size. I hope you are successful with this way of eating. The cravings really decrease and it is so doable. GOOD LUCK!
Connie	posted 8-Apr-2009 11:48am Great Scott! I jumped on the scale before I got in the shower. 143.4!
K10	posted 8-Apr-2009 12:17pm Woo Hoo Connie. So what do you think the highest contributing factor is for that awesome low weight?
Bronwyn	posted 8-Apr-2009 1:34pm Angie you are truly on top of the game with your lists and your packaged snacks. Are you eating 1500 calories a day to maintain or to lose......it seems to me from your previous posts that you didn't really need to lose weight. I was hoping to lose weight at 1500 but maybe that isn't low enough for weight loss. According to charts I should be able to lose at 1600 but that doens't seem to really happen. 2 girls.......you know I am so torn with the exact questions you are asking. There is just so much controversy over your exact questions. If you talk to a low carb enthusiast then you are giving all this info that makes you think that anything with carbs in it is so bad for you............and on the other side of the fence there are all the negative things about low carb being touted. On this site we are really mostly concerned about eating food without and sugar or flour. If you read through the posts you will see that those who have been successful have stayed very committed to NFNS. Connie has lost a wonderful amount of weight but, she also doens't seem (as she mentioned today) to struggle with overeating or binge type behaviours. She has also pointed out that when she was doing really well at her weight loss game that she was not eating a lot or a lot of carbs. I think carbs are good for us if they are good carbs.....there seems to be a general concensus that the closer to nature things are then the healthier they are albeit.....the straight starches like potatoes which should be eaten very controlled. I really struggle with the grains being bad for us......and there are so many low carb Drs. and so forth who advocate that we should be almost totally grain free. I am really torn on that and it seems that things like Ezekial breads are a eahlthy thing not a useless starch. 2 girls.....that is interesting to me that you said you had such low energy on no carbs. I have been so dragging for the last couple of days......kind of felt like I was run over by a Mac Truck. I wonder if it was the low carb thing.....don't know. The more I look at Dana Carpenders recipes the more I really wonder about them......she makes a muffin that has is low carb but it has 1 cup of oil in it for 12 muffins......come on muffins only have a 1/4 cup of oil in them. In order to eat low carb am I going to start paying no attention to fat. I was also reading on her blog "hold the toast"......where she woudl have a left over chicken leg for breakfast. Listen I would rather have nothing than a chicken leg for breakfast. I am also really torn with artifical sweeteners. Anyways sorry to not answer any of your questions and to only bring up all my confusion but ...... this is where I have decided to go and I you can let me know what you think. I know when I ate no flour and no sugar that I wasn't going crazy with cravings. Fruits and grains are the things God put on this earth for us to eat......they are full of fibre and nutrients and just good things. Some veggies and fruits are higher in starch and I think we need to be conscious of that. I think if we focus on eating 5 or more servings of low starch veggies a day and then have one meal with a small serving of rice or potatoes.....we will be okay. I think we can eat 2 or 3 servings of good fruit a day.....including a half a banana once in a while. Dr. Gott really has recommended counting your nut intake......like 12 almonds a day. I think if we can still live life and not be radical and eat NFNS......once in a while you might have a piece of wedding cake or birthday cake......have a small piece and let it go at that. I think K10 makes a good point about the fruit and maybe not the rice and potatoes............. Great Scott Connie......you are so amazing. I want to be able to write that I jumped on the scale and it said 143.4,,,,,,,oh I really do. Now I need to not jump on the scale ...... but gently put myself their so I dont' cave in the floor
K10	posted 8-Apr-2009 1:49pm Bronwyn: I love the way you write. Your last comment was funny. I know for sure, you won't cave in the floor. Have a made a decision on how often you will weigh? I definitely think more than once a week messes with my head. Kathleen: Can we get an update on you please.
2girls	posted 8-Apr-2009 2:00pm Thanks for your responses K10 and Bronwyn, so glad someone responded to my question! I was thinking about what I ate last night and I did have too much brown rice and, if I remember right, the last time I had brown rice my weight was up the next day also. The days that my weight seemed to be on the lower side I was still eating triscuits and fruit. I think I will try to cut the rice out for now and see if that makes a difference, if not then time to cut something else out I guess. I retain water so easily, actually I am supposed to be taking a water pill for my blood pressure, but it was really messing with my body (started spotting before I was supposed to with my period and felt like crap, really tired) so I quit taking it, I know not a good idea without talking to my doctor, but I guess I'm kind of the problem child (patient) with my doctor, he doesn't believe me when I say my body isn't reacting well with the medicine, he just blames it on my weight, well I've never had this so and so problem before taking this pill and so I know its the meds but whatever. He wants me to lose 15 lbs in 2 months, if I don't then we are going to talk about weight loss meds, he gave Alli as an example. Sorry not taking that! Anyway I sound all like I have an attitude, sorry everyone didn't mean to sound like that! Oh, but I probably will never give up my Prozac, I have some anxiety and it has helped me greatly.
Bronwyn	posted 8-Apr-2009 2:33pm 2 girls.....it may help to look at your plate and think of it in quarters......1/4 plate for protein. 1/2 plate for low starch veggies and then 1/4 for a starch and then plan that to be a good starch....like your brown rice or I am thinking of working on making lower carb pilafs for a side such as barley or quinoa. I think doing this would definitely keep our glycemic counts in order without really paying any more attention to them than that. Then with our snacks having like most of those on the list do such as an apple with P.B.,,,,cheese with veggies or so forth. I have never heard of powdered P.B.,,,,,,,,,,,,,is there a benefit to it.....did you say lower fat content???
Connie	posted 8-Apr-2009 2:54pm Welcome 2girls. I'm so happy for you to have found this site. We are truly a sisterhood here. Hugs and kisses all around! Bronwyn is our resident food guru and general brainiac. We all add our own individual gifts and talents...we will enjoy having yours too. Here is my take on healthy eating for weight loss. NFNS is the bedrock of our eating. But not all NFNS foods are equal. We have recently discovered starches are the enemy for insulin resistant people. But, they only need to be limited. Bronwyn had a good example...divide your plate into fourths. Bronwyn, could you repeat that formula? Calories are always a huge factor. Try and eat a balanced meal, and then no snacking. I did Atkins once for 2 weeks. I was so miserable with it...I hated it. And my common sense kept yelling at me "how can this be good for me?" Veggies rule, fruits in moderation are important and lean meats are needed also. Small starches as a side dish are important. In my opinion they keep you healthier, mentally and physically. I've always felt that healthy fats are ok if your calories are not too many. I would avoid extras. Like crackers, desserts, smoothies (unless it's breakfast). And don't get me started on the dried fruit! Just stay away. You can do this 2girls. Of course to meet your 15 lb goal you may want to try and get some walking in too. And remember, a lot of hunger pains are actually thirst. When you get hungry between meals, have a glass of water and wait 10 min. In fact, get yourself a water bottle and keep it with you at all times. I am never without mine. I drink from it all day, I sleep with it by my bed at night. Some days I drink more, some less. If your still hungry, try something like celery with laughing cow. And not a lot of it. Give yourself time to adjust and don't give up. It seems to me the heavier a person is, the harder to get the scales to move. Insulin resistance I'm sure. But OVER TIME by STICKING TO THE PLAN, huge changes can be made. It may take you longer, you may lose sloooowly. But the important thing is, you can lose. Forbid yourself from throwing up your arms and caving in. It's just food, it will always be there. Dig in and get some yummy NFNS recipes. Shop and stock up on healthy foods. Having your kitchen prepared is the only way you will succeed. I have lost 45 lbs. I've gone from a size 16 to a size 10. I've been at this for about 10 months. I wouldn't eat any other way. I feel better, I look better. Stick around as learn all you can. The dermatologist said my nail has to come off. Okaaaaaaaaaaay. I need to find a surgeon. This is going to be yuck, but I am so determined to have a pain free toe.
2girls	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:01pm you are right Bronwyn I should be watching the portions on my plate, and with rice it is too easy to eat too much, for me anyway. So I may just cut it out for now, I'm one of those all or nothing kind of people (I'm really trying to work on that). It's easier for me to completely cut the one food out then to eat a small portion. That's probably why it's pretty easy for me stay on the low carb diet. Another diet and recipes I really enjoyed was Suzanne Somers, but the eat this at certain times and wait to eat this for so many hours is kind of difficult for me to follow, I think it brings my anxiety up and then I start to obsess about food and that's when I over eat. Food has to be easy for me or I seem to lose control. That's why I would really like nfns to work for me, don't really have to count anything just be sensible and can have a variety of foods.
Angie	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:03pm Bronwyn, I stayed on the 1200 calories (as close as I could) till I lost the weight I wanted to lose and now I am eating 1500 and keeping my weight where I want it. I am getting on the eliptical 30 minutes a day and that helps. 2girls you have really got to play with NFNS and find what works for you. Everyone is different but you definetly lose your cravings for certain foods. As I have said on this site my hair and skin looks better and my stomach feels much better. I cannot eat the triscuits because I have found that wheat messes my stomach up but I can eat rice crackers (white cheddar has no flour) I find them at publix and health food stores. They are put out by Back to Nature. I eat a lot of fruit, red grapes, apples, oranges, pineapple...I also eat a lot of vegetables but I do stay away from rice, potatoes and pasta. I only eat Ezekial bread. I have no problem with any I have tried. Biggest thing is calories. You can find calorie counters on the internet that you put in your weight, height, age and activity level and it will tell you how many calories you need to lose weight. There is one on ivillage. If you can't find it I will post it later. I eat lean meats and peanut butter. I take it easy on nuts because they are so high calorie. You have found a great bunch of women. We are all in this together!
Angie	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:08pm I want to mention too that I am taking a probiotic and it has really helped my "regularity". They also say it helps with weight. If you have taken an antibiotic you kill the good bacteria in your intestines and it needs to be replaced. If anyone has every watched Know the Cause he really pushes probiotics.
2girls	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:09pm Thanks for the welcome Connie! OK, my first baby step will be drinking more water. I absolutely hate water unless I have a packet of Crystal light mixed in, I know some people do not like artifical sweetners but I can easily drink more water if I have it mixed in. I did so well drinking water when I was pregnant, like I was doing it just for the baby. Once she was born I was like oh well just me now don't have to worry about my health. Bad attitude to have, need to work on that also. Thanks everyone!
Connie	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:24pm 2girls, one thing some of us has noticed is...artificial sweeteners can lead to cravings. And, the digestion of them is rough. I had to make myself start drinking water. But after a time of having my bottle with me and sipping on it on and off, I have become addicted to it. It happens. I talked my sister into doing it and she is never without her water now too. If your first step is to increase your water, do it right. Get addicted to the real thing. It just takes a little bit of time. Make sure it's cold.
Debbie M	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:25pm Super dee duper Connie!! Welcome 2girls! Hey there Angie, K10, Bronwyn. Big hug to all. I just ate about 20 animal crackers. What will I do with myself?
Bronwyn	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:30pm 2 girls....baby steps.....are you a flybaby????
Angie	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:40pm Bronwyn they say they roast down the peanuts to a powder and remove alot of the fat. My sugar free PB is 210 calories for 2 Tlbs. The powdered PB is suppose to be 50 something for 2 TLBS. When you are counting calories that's a big difference. I hope it will be good. I will know by tomorrow. UPS usually runs around 6:30 in the evening. When I said I give myself 2000 calories on the weekend it's because we ride bicycles for 22 miles on the weekend and I need the extra calories. 2girls if you can make yourself drink green tea it is a treat for me and very healthy. I use truvia and have had no side effects from it at all. I cannot use splenda. You can get truvia at publix. I keep a glass of water poured at all times in the house and if I go anywhere a bottle of water is with me. You will get to the point where you want even think about it. Like we have all said just find what works for you and we are here for you.
2girls	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:41pm Thanks all for the Welcome! Hey Bronwyn, what's flybaby? I don't have the internet at my house (I live out in the boonies) so I can only email from work and I will be leaving shortly, I will look forward to reading all the posts tomorrow!
Debbie M	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:45pm I'm a flybaby! FlyLady.com is an online housekeeping mentor. Awesome for getting organized. Check it out. "Babysteps" is one of her phrases. That's why Bronwyn asked. I need to remember that I am not behind and to just start back in where I am!! Right Bronwyn?
2girls	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:45pm Angie, do you drink the bagged green tea that you seep? I need to check out the truvia. I live in North Dakota, so I'll have to check around since we don't have a publix.
2girls	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:46pm I NEED to get organized, thanks for the link!
Angie	posted 8-Apr-2009 3:56pm 2girls do you have Target. They carry alot of the different flavored green teas. I make a whole pitcher and heat a cup up in the microwave or drink it cold. Truvia is in a white and green box. It is reasonably priced. Have a good evening.
Bronwyn	posted 8-Apr-2009 4:59pm This is a message from Patrick Holford a nutrtionist in the U.K.,,,,,,,timely info Does anyone know anything about this supplement he talks about. I might check out some info on it. The two secrets of resisting chocolate However there are two very good ways to help you resist bingeing on all those chocolate eggs this Easter. The first is to follow a low-glycaemic load diet. This helps because by eating foods that have a low glycaemic load you keep your blood sugar level even, which means you don't get big dips in your blood sugar and therefore won't be looking for a sugar rush. Instead you'll experience constant energy, feel full and your mood and memory will be much improved. The other is to supplement 1000mg of tyrosine which promotes dopamine. This is best taken on an empty stomach. If you crave chocolate in the evening take it then, otherwise it's best taken first thing in the morning if you are looking for a lift.
Angie	posted 8-Apr-2009 6:33pm I looked up tyrosine and it said the side effects were insomnia, heart palpatations and jitters. They said taken in high dosage could cause a lower appetite. I think it is given as a mood inhancer for depression. Bronwyn you do not need anything that would cause insomnia...you have enough of that. Now, about the powdered peanut butter...as of right now I will probably not order anymore. It is alright but it does have a little over a gram of sugar and the taste is debatable. I will have to play with it a few days and give you my final opinion but right now don't go out and order any. They did send me a sample of the chocolate PB and it was good but I don't know the nutrition facts on it. I will probably take a tbls of my SF peanut butter and mix it with the powder PB. That will make it go further for fewer calories.
Connie	posted 8-Apr-2009 8:53pm I am so glad I no longer struggle with chocolate cravings. Along with chocolate comes the sugar. When I think about how much of it I used to eat...at one sitting...day after day! No wonder I packed on the pounds. I don't crave it and I don't miss it. I do still miss my figs. They were so good to nibble on with a cup of coffee. That I really did enjoy. I wonder what all the artificial sweetener/chemicals we eat do to our bodies. Today when I was out, I swear I had a moment of "slowness." My thought process was not working. I chalked it up to not haven eaten until 1:00. I concentrated and it passed, but if no fuel can do that, what does the wrong fuel do? Our brains are complicated chemicals already. I think I like the idea (again!) of avoiding artificial sweeteners as a rule. We had the leftover acorn squash tonight. The family didn't care for it. "But it's so good for you!" I told them. Oh well, you can't win them all. It is filling though. Time for me to curl up with a good book. Night all.
Debbie M	posted 9-Apr-2009 1:06am My husband brought home a bag of malted milk ball eggs. grrrrrr The kids ate them. Ok, I had some too. I'm glad they are gone. I think I'm not going to buy any candy this year. I'll just put a 5 dollar bill into an egg and put the eggs in a basket, one for each kid. Then the kids won't be pigging out on candy for a week and I won't be tempted. If they just have to have a chocolate Easter bunny they can buy it on sale the day after on their own. I'll tell them ahead of time that they better hide it or I WILL eat it. HA
Hilda	posted 9-Apr-2009 1:06am I tried the Laughing Cow swiss. Very good! Deviled eggs and fruit salad for Easter. Baked sweet potatoes. Aldi has a good ham. Asparagus with cheese. Broccoli with cheese.Guacamole with raw baby carrots. Seasoned rice.
Debbie M	posted 9-Apr-2009 1:15am Hilda, those things sound good and healthy. How are you?
Bronwyn	posted 9-Apr-2009 1:51am Angie I looked up tyrozine as well.....I don't think this is something to fool with. I think we have to be as careful with supplements as we are regular meds. It did caught my attention though......... I have never felt like I had cravings or was quickly hungry after eating Ezekial products.....in fact I feel satisfied eating them. I went on their web page and noticed that they advertise as being low glycemic. I thought that makes sense as they are not refined, have good fibre and have sprouted lentils and so forth not just grains. I wrote to ask them if they could tell me what the glycemic load count of their products would be. I will share that with you when I get a response. One thing for sure Ezekial is lower in calories than the bread I normally buy. Had book club tonight. I stayed away from the chocolate and other things I shouldn't have. I was commenting on how good her tortilla chips were.......she got the bag for me to see and after having a big serving (which isn't a good idea anyways) I read they had flour in them.
Debbie M	posted 9-Apr-2009 1:57am Hi Bronwyn, At least you stayed away from the sugar. Way to go!
Debbie M	posted 9-Apr-2009 2:09am I just had a toasted Ezekiel Cinnamon Raisin English Muffin, with cream cheese. It's really good. I need to get some more of that laughing cow cheese. Connie, do you buy the ones in the foil triangles or the round baby bells? My kids like the triangle ones. I can't sleep. Just sitting here surfing the web. There are a lot of horrible things in the news. I wish I hadn't read it now. I have a couple sick kids. Poor kids are sick on their spring break. My husband has the next 4 days off. We were going to set out on our maden voyage with our camper but its just too cold. And with a couple sick kids (sore throat, cough, fever) there is no way we can go unless they get better REAL fast. Tomorrow is grocery shopping day for me. I am going to try to shop NFNS. Pray for me. I need to get back on track.
Bronwyn	posted 9-Apr-2009 8:06am Sorry you can't sleep either Debbie. I actually was so tired when I went to bed and I fell to sleep immediately, but then I was only able to sleep a couple of hours. I woke up thinking of lots of "green eyed monster" kind of feelings. Book club is nice and I enjoy it, but I also find I some times come away with feelings of dissatisfaction for my own life. I am the only heavy one in my book club....they are all so thin and have such cute clothes. I find myself sitting and comparing our circumstances and then I have feelings of sadness and jealousy. I left home feeling my outfit was kind of cute and in style and then got there and felt fat and dumpy. Beyond that though there is this feeling that we (my husband and I) are truly the only ones who have been affected by the economy. There is such a level of affluence in my group of friends and it is difficult on many levels. The home we were at tonight is a new home my friend just moved into, and it is truly opulent and furnished and decorated so beautifully. No one seems to be fearful and concerned about their future. One, I don't want to have these feelings of jealousy or lack of appreciation for the blessings I have. Two, I really do think we are kind of in a state of unspoken "mourning" for dreams unfulfilled and fear of the future. My husband is 54 and we are in no position to retire. This is a hard age to be starting over......and although he is very talented the market for his talents are not abundant in todays economy. Anyways Debbie M. ..... I will be praying for both of us to be able to really get a handle on our weight. The loss of weight would just be one less burden. I am so constantly burdened by my unhappiness with my weight.......for way too many years now. "Please release me let me go".......I think that is a country and western song.......and i feel that way about the burden of being heavy I want to be released from that. Debbie M......chocolate malt balls or any other form of chocolate could never compare to the feeling of being happy with our weight. Why can't we project how we will feel about succumbing to the temptations of chocolate or sleeves of graham crackers......it doesn't do any good to just feel remorse after. How about looking temptation (chocolate malt balls or whatever) and then going and make a list of the pros and cons of giving into that temptation. Actually get out a piece of paper and make two columns.....pros and cons......maybe we need something this concrete to divert us from making poor choices.
Bronwyn	posted 9-Apr-2009 8:14am Does "laughing cow" come in the round things....like those ones wrapped in red wax or paper, I thought those were Gouda's. I have only seen "laughing cow" in the triangles. Debbie M. I think the Raisin Ezekial english muffins are my favourite of their line of products. In fact I would prefer them to regular English Muffins.....now if they weren't so stupid expensive I would be really happy. I like them as well with a little cream cheese also nice with a dollop of apple sauce (of course no sugar) and cinnamon. I find that they leave you feeling very satisfied.
Bronwyn	posted 9-Apr-2009 8:16am Hey Debbie M. you can do the NFNS shopping and you can get back on track.....we both can do this!!!
Debbie M	posted 9-Apr-2009 8:51am Bronwyn, Your above post really hit home with me. I've said this before but I'll say it again. Time is going to pass anyway so we might as well just do the work. Release the fat, yes, let it go, its not wanted here! You and I are so similar in many ways even besides the physical. I think I'm comming full circle to getting back on track. I've pretty much given up atrificial sweetner and I think it has make a difference in my hunger level. So I have a good base to start. I hate to make the announcement that "I am on a diet" to may family. I don't want to be watched. But I do need and want support and mostly I don't want to be sabotaged. Sunny but cool today. High of 50 I think. I love the sun. See ya
Connie	posted 9-Apr-2009 9:02am Morning. Off to work today, overslept...ooops! Bronwyn, I know all of the emotions you are feeling are a burden to you right now. My heart feels full for you after reading your post. But I think the eating is something you can control. I like your idea of making a pro and con list. There is a moment of reasoning before we eat something we shouldn't. What is that moment like for you? And for you Debbie? Do you push your good sense out of the way. Do you rationalize that one little slip wont hurt? Maybe if you can remember what lie you told yourself before you caved, you can become prepared to fight it. Bronwyn, you have fought this battle for far too long. It's almost become a habit, or at least it has become "normal" for you. Make the right choices and be happy that you are doing the right things and that will result in the body you want. It will take time and you will have to be strong, but if you put yourself first, it can happen. At this point in your life if you don't put yourself fist, you are being reckless, unhealthy and irresponsible. How's that for a pep talk! It's true. Debbie, sorry about the sick kids. What rotten luck. I saw a laughing cow commercial the had baby bells in it too. They must be made by the same company. Have a great day ladies...and make good choices...we are worth it.
Hilda	posted 9-Apr-2009 9:31am I am babysitting my grandchildren until my daughter gets home from a trip. She got a grant to go teach in Egypt for a week, and my other daughter went along and paid her own way. I have not heard from them in over 24 hours. They have been able to email and text and call on cell phones up to now. They are sightseeing with her host teacher. What an experience for them. They sound like they are having a great time so far, but it is hard on me not to know they are ok. It has given me a great appreciation for those who have children in the military far away. We have a lot of people praying they have a safe trip. Hope you all will, too.
2girls	posted 9-Apr-2009 9:36am Morning all! I just loooovvvve the sugar free iced coffee from McD's, that what I am having this morning, but like most of you said I really should not be drinking any artificial sweetners, I think I am addicted! Actually I know I am, I was reading an article yesterday about how diet soda can make you gain weight, dang it, there was a couple different theories, first one was the artificial sweetner tries to trick your body into thinking it's getting calories, when it doesn't get the calories it thinks it should be getting you get hungry because your body now wants them. Second theory, aspartame is toxic and when we ingest toxic stuff we gain weight, fluid and fat, news to me on the second one, but I suppose our body wouldn't be functioning well if we are ingesting something toxic. So last night I only drank water, pouted all night and crabby, all I managed to get down was 3/4 bottled water. After my iced coffee this morning I will only drink water, no crystal light packs either. Angie I am going to pick some tea from target, truvia is natural right? So it wouldn't be considered "toxic" like aspartame? Maybe I should google it. I have a bottle of tyrosine at home, but haven't opened it yet, bought it for my husband, he has such a bad temper sometimes and thought it would help, I don't think your supposed to take it if you are on antidepressants, so that's a no go for me. My husband is now taking pills to quit smoking so he can't take them either, I think there is some sort of antidepressant in the smoking pills too. Bronwyn don't beat yourself up about the weight, it's not worth it, just try the best you can, that's all you can do, that's all anyone can do. There was something I read or heard one day that was so true, something like everyone has there weaknesses but unfortunately ours shows on the outside. I think if you can feel good about yourself other people will too no matter what you look like. Kind of like when you meet someone that is really good looking but then you get to know there not so great personality and then they don't seem as appealing and vice versa. And believe me you are not the only one affected by the economy, my whole family, inlaws and all are. My inlaws have a big house and own a business, but are probably hurting more than any of us, they can't even pay their credit cards bills. Anyway, I just keep going on and on here, better get to work. Have a great day!
2girls	posted 9-Apr-2009 9:39am Hilda, I remeber reading in an old post that you recommended listening to Joyce Meyer, I love Joyce Meyer she is so down to earth and tells it like it is. I listened to her constantly when I was going through a rough spot. Just had to throw that out there.
Angie	posted 9-Apr-2009 10:00am 2girls As of right now they say truvia is made from the stevia plant and is natural. So far I have had no problem with it. They may come out in the future and say it's bad for you too but right now I'm OK with it. One pack is the same as 2 teaspoons of sugar. I do try to limit my use of it but I use it as a treat in my peanut butter and apple and my green tea. My husband loves the Ezekial raisen bread for breakfast and I love the muffins. They are very satisfying. I paid $4.99 for the muffins today...OUCH!
K10	posted 9-Apr-2009 11:15am Hilda: How nice of you to care for your grandchildren. I hope your girls have a once in a lifetime experience in Egypt. 2girls: My friend took a class that talked about the more you drink water the more you crave it. It was definitely true with Pepsi for me, so maybe it will become the same way for me with water. I am drinking more of it. If I have a bottle with me I will drink it. I have these bottles called Camelbak, they are BPA free and they have a nice spot to hang it over your thumb when you carry it, it makes it easier for me when I have a load of things I am carrying. I borrowed the Jillian Michaels game for my Wii fit. I think my butt will be kicked when I do it in a little bit. I will let you know how it works. I walked yesterday with my dog in her stroller, she loves it. She then comes home and sleeps in it for quite a while. Bronwyn: I am sorry about the struggles you are going through with the economy and job situation. Still waiting to hear about NM. Either way we will have to move from our house. We just can't afford it. I just hope we can find out about the job before we have to move from our house. I would hate to move twice. Online yesterday they talked about dangerous cities and such. New Mexico is number 4 on that one and California was 14. New Mexico was number 3 on the unhealthiest list, due to high teenage birthrates, poor prenatal care, high rates of suicide, poor health insurance coverage and amount of hospital beds. I hope this doesn't come across negatively, but I wonder if the stats have to do with the amount of reservations in that state? I look at things like this and think how accurate are these things really? I am technically in a suburb of LA, but it is a typical middle class area, but we probably would have lower numbers because of being considered in Los Angeles county. I think LA probably has similar reasons to be considered unhealthy. If my hubby is offered this job, we will still have to travel there to check it out. Who knows we may hate it or we may love it????? Have a great NFNS day you all.
2girls	posted 9-Apr-2009 11:58am first glass (maybe 16/20 oz) of water down, need to go get more and use the restroom. I have a feeling I will be using that more often now. I usually walk one time around the inside perimeter of our work building everytime I go to the bathroom, our building is a pretty good size, so I'll be walking more if I use the bathroom more, he he. I have noticed I have been walking faster lately too, even though my weight doesn't seem to be going down any still at 276 this morning, oh well keep on a truckin'
Debbie M	posted 9-Apr-2009 12:13pm K10, How exciting for you to be on the cusp of a new chapter in your life. I know its pretty heavy stuff but you can try to have fun with it. I sure hope you don't have to move twice. That would be so much extra work. FlyLady.net has a section on her website that addresses getting ready to move and moving itself. She has a lot of good ideas. Check it out.
2girls	posted 9-Apr-2009 12:14pm shoot, I was just going to take my vitamins (I'm a vitamin junky) and realized I don't have any chromium, haven't had any in weeks, maybe that's part of my problem, does anyone here take chromium? Is there anyone here that is crazy about vitamins like me? Anywho here's some info I wanted to share about it: Chromium, an essential mineral, is necessary for the formation of Glucose Tolerance Factor, a compound that regulates the body's use of glucose and helps to balance blood sugar. Chromium is also used in the metabolism and storage of fats, proteins, and carbohydrates by the body. Although there is no hard evidence that chromium aids weight loss or reduces body fat, as has been suggested in the past, chromium does have many other health benefits. Health Benefits of Chromium In addition to balancing blood sugar levels, chromium has many benefits including: Regulates hunger Reduces cravings Helps protect DNA and RNA Important to heart function Helps control fat and cholesterol levels in the blood Symptoms of Chromium Deficiency Those who are under extreme stress or eat a diet high in refined sugars and flours, additives, and processed foods or who are obese are at risk of chromium deficiency since these factors deplete chromium from the body. Symptoms of chromium deficiency include: Cold sweats, dizziness or irritability after six hours without any food Frequent hunger Cold hands Need for excessive sleep or drowsiness during the day Addiction to sweet foods Frequent urination Excessive thirst Food Sources of Chromium According to the National Institute of Health, the AI (Adequate Intake) of chromium is from 20 to 35 mcg daily for those 19 years of age and older. There are many foods that are high in chromium, making the AI easy to meet. Excellent sources of chromium are: Brewer's yeast Whole wheat bread Rye bread Oysters Peas Shredded Wheat breakfast cereal Potatoes Wheat germ Other good sources of chromium include: green peppers, eggs, chicken, apples, butter, parsnips, and Swiss cheese. Chromium Supplements Since chromium is not produced by the body, it must be obtained from food. Eating a diet high in chromium-rich foods is the best way to ensure adequate amounts of chromium. Those who wish to also add a chromium supplement to their daily diet should choose chromium picolinate or chromium polynicotinate since these have the highest bioavailability among chromium supplements. Consumers who use chromium supplements should be aware of the interactions between chromium and certain medications Whoo that's long!
K10	posted 9-Apr-2009 12:33pm Debbie M: I will check out the fly lady site. Thanks for the info. So I exercised on the Wii with Jillian Michaels. I like using my Wii fit game better. It might just be because I haven't really figured it out yet, but I am glad I borrowed it, instead of buying it at this point. 2girls: How often do you weigh?
2girls	posted 9-Apr-2009 12:47pm K10, I weigh when I remember, sometimes it's a few times a week and sometimes it's once a week. I've really been watching lately now that I'm up 7 lbs since starting nfns, hoping I can bring it down again.
Bronwyn	posted 9-Apr-2009 2:19pm 2 girls if you are up 7 lbs. after doing NFNS,,,,,I would recommend going on one of the on-line sites and checking your calorie counts for a few days. I like Sparks people.....check it out. We have all found out that portion control is just as important as NFNS.....not eating flour and sugar helps to control your appetite but calories do count.
2girls	posted 9-Apr-2009 5:40pm Bronwyn, I should check my calories, I'm almost afraid to.
Connie	posted 9-Apr-2009 6:30pm Made it home. Storms tonight, possibly severe. My sons dog totally freaks when there is lightening, so I was glad it is going to hit in the evening...he can deal with her. But he will not be home tonight because he is having dinner with vet girl! How great is that? He's acting all reluctant, but I think he will have a good time. He ran into her at WM today and made the plans. Jeez, I for one am happy to see him go out and do something. Did I ever tell you all he was actually in a long time relationship and got dumped? It was his HS sweetie. Anyway, he just took a long time getting over her. I think he's the "still waters run deep" kind of guy. My diet today has been terrible. Cheese, and more cheese. If I lived on my own all the time I think I would be very lazy in the kitchen. I am going to have a mandarin orange. That should help!
K10	posted 9-Apr-2009 7:04pm I am going out to dinner tonight with my friends. Mexican food, one of my favorite Mexican restaurants too. I think I may have said this earlier this week, but I plan on having chips, salsa and one cheese enchilada. I am hoping none of these have flour in them, but I don't really care. I am going to try and not gorge on chips. The corn tortillas I have run into here don't have corn flour, but after what Bronwyn said about the chips she had with the flour, now I wonder. Last week I went to a take out Mexican restaurant and I saw the tortillas they use and I have actually bought that brand, so I knew they didn't have flour in them. That was nice. Do you guys have Chili's where you live? They have the crispiest chips and salsa. I wonder if they have flour??? I had those last week with my friend. Connie: Keep us posted on the date. Wouldn't that funny if they ended up married, all because you had to take your pet to the vet???? I am a poet and I didn't know it. Lame, I know. When you said you were horrible today, I was thinking what flour or sugar items did she eat? Isn't it funny how our idea of bad is different now? I am moving the stuff away from this huge weight set we have in our front bedroom. My friend's son is coming to look at it. We are willing to give it to him for free. We didn't have to buy this weight set, but I didn't really want it in the house, so it has been a real sore spot. My hubby used it a little bit. Keep your fingers crossed that he will want to pick it up this weekend and that he will have lots of help from his friends, so my hubby doesn't have to do it by himself. Talk to you all later.
Connie	posted 9-Apr-2009 7:16pm OMG, despite his earlier protests...someone is happy, chatty and bubbly! He is pumped. He just left, he is picking her up at her house and they are going into town (Memphis) and having sushi! Very cosmopolitan I think! I would never eat it , but it's one of his favorites. And her's too I guess. He's washing his truck first. Goodness, to be that excited again. Everything I ate was NFNS, but not balanced. At work I had rotel with fritos. Just a small bit really. Then my rice cake nachos when I got home. It is just me here and I just didn't have the energy to cook.
Connie	posted 9-Apr-2009 7:54pm Choked down the mandarin orange. There was a little bit of tartness to it. proud of myself though. It has been awhile since I had a banana. Funny how the fruits I like are the ones with a high GI. I'm getting some tomorrow, but I'll take it easy on them. Let's see, tomorrow night a wilted lettuce salad and Sunday ham and mashed potatoes. Time to get my grocery list together. I'm starting to get tired of food again. That's how I seem to react to level blood sugar levels.
Bronwyn	posted 9-Apr-2009 9:18pm Well your son would die if he knew all your friends from one coast to the other were all rooting for him to have a great time. My son went through a bad relationship and he had the hardest time moving on.....until he found the right person and it all just clicked into place. Memphis and sushi.....interesting combination. I do love sushi albeit sushi rice is very high G.L. So how romantic another person or date, on this occassion "Walking in Memphis". Everytime you mention Memphis I have to play the tune......off the internet. Well NFNS today...........I could of used a few more veggies on the menu but I didn't really cook today. I got a hair appointment booked on the 24th ...... I haven't had my hair but since Aug. and it was shoulder length or longer then so you can imagine how badly I need a hair cut. I guess Connie our early to bed person is already on her way to bed. It it is only 7:19 here so for K10 it is only 6:19........we still have a few hours of food eating to work at.
Bronwyn	posted 9-Apr-2009 9:21pm .......GOOD eating Good food choices......not food eating Wow Hilda what a fabulous experience your daughters are having and what a wonderful Grandma you are.
Bronwyn	posted 9-Apr-2009 9:38pm Hey Ezekial answered me....... The breads that have been tested for the GI/GL are the Ezekiel 4:9 Original (orange bag) 36GI/4.3GL and the Ezekiel 4:9 Cinnamon Raisin 43GI/6.8GL. This is excellent news.
Bronwyn	posted 9-Apr-2009 9:55pm Okay...wait....hold the phone it isn't that great. I just checked the shaklee list and Multi-grain has a g.I. of 43 and a gl. of 6. That is fairly comparable to the (orange bag) at 36 and 4.3. Listen you can easily have a slice or two a day or 1 english muffin. As long as you aren't having a lot of other starches that day like potatoes and rice.....you just need to eat balanced that is all there is to it and NFNS and for some us some attention to calories.
Connie	posted 9-Apr-2009 10:14pm I'm not to sleep yet. I've been watching tv. House and House again. I love that show. Ok Bronwyn, what your saying is...we can have Ezek bread, but not another heavy starch on that day like a potato or rice? I could do that. I wouldn't eat the bread everyday anyway. Because I would love to keep on having the english muffins with the ns jelly. And a couple of scrambled eggs. You know, I bet just by not eating those heavenly cursed dried figs I am going to lose. I was eating a lot of them. A lot. So good deal on the Ezek products. I hope son is having a good time. And I really hope vet girl doesn't turn out to be witchy. He did explain to me he did not run into her today, he just called her on his own. He said he felt "pressure" to call her since his mom set him up at WM. Poor baby! Hilda, I can't imagine traveling as far away from home as your daughters have. I think they must be brave souls. I hope the trip turns out to be wonderful for them. I do know people from church who have gone and they have said it is an experience you never forget. Not just the sights, the emotions. Be sure and tell us about it when they return. It feels like a Fri night to me. That must be why I'm staying up later than usual. It is not because I'm waiting for my son to come home. He would freak if I was up and asking questions when he came in. I'm sure he'll tell me what he thought of her tomorrow. I would be so much better if he were in his own house. Patience, patience! We both wish he was in it yesterday! I'm going to read for a little bit, I'll check in before lights out.
Connie	posted 9-Apr-2009 10:43pm I'm beat, calling it a day. Night gang.
Hilda	posted 10-Apr-2009 12:04am Daughter finally called this afternoon from a city on the Red Sea. They had seen the Pyramids, gone parasailing and gone on a camel ride. She sounded like they were having a great time. I was relieved to hear from her, and so were her kids.
Hilda	posted 10-Apr-2009 12:19am I have found a Mexican estaurant that makes your guacamole when you order it.It is so much better fresh. I had never eaten any that good. They make a serving using one and a half avocados. I ate the whole bowl. I hate to think how many calories that was. I needed someone to share it with, but my granddaughter would not touch it.
K10	posted 10-Apr-2009 1:05am I am back from my meal with the ladies. I had too many chips and salsa, but I did only order a cheese enchilada a la carte. It was only $3.95, you can't beat that. The rest of the ladies ordered a chocolate mousse to share. I wasn't even tempted. Bronwyn: I am glad the GL turned out similarly to how I figured it out last week. I think I came up with 4.8, but 4.3 is better. Of course, I keep wanting sandwich type things since I started learning about GL. I think some of that is because my time of the month is here. I am hoping my weigh in will be better than I thought it might be on Tuesday since it is a few days early. My craving this month was for fruit juice, I had not bought any last week, but I did yesterday. I measured out 8 oz. of OJ this morning. How funny that I was craving juice, not candy, chocolate, or some other junk. Hilda: I am so glad you heard from your girls and it sounds like they are having a wonderful time. Fresh guacamole, I would have shared with you. Connie: I think it is funny how sushi is the thing to eat now, no matter where you live. I don't care for it personally, but I do like Miso soup. It is 10:05 here, I will be up for a while yet. Talk to you all later.
Bronwyn	posted 10-Apr-2009 1:24am Connie I just figured out how the a day of G.L. and NFNS could look for you at a count of 55 G.L. a day: (1) Ezekial raisin muffin @ 13.6/ (2) 1 Tablespoon jam @ 7/ (3) 1 small banana @10/ (4) 1 whole grapefruit @ 5/ (5) 1 cup minestrone soup @ 7/ (6) 1/2 cup all bran @ 5/ (7) 3/4 cup of plain whole milk yoghurt @3..........for a total of 50.6.........all this together with free veggies, lean meat, a little cheese and you can stay with in your G.L. goal. It really is just a matter of paying attention to the balance of your starch foods.
Bronwyn	posted 10-Apr-2009 1:28am K10 I don't think there is any reason you can't have a sandwich. It is funny how you may not even think about it until you think you can't have it. eh!!! That is what dieting does to you.....so I think it is best to be careful but not so strict you feel deprived.
K10	posted 10-Apr-2009 1:54am Bronwyn: I had PB&J on Ezekiel today. All kinds of corn totillas in chip form or enchilada form. I am not going to obsess, but the info is good to have and it may change the choices I make, especially if I am just eating to eat. Good night
Bronwyn	posted 10-Apr-2009 6:35am I think I need to get back to recording on Sparks People. Although I didn't eat flour or sugar today I was munching a lot because I never had a square meal,,,,just snacks. That doesn't work very well for me as I never feel satisfied and I don't eat enough veggies. Tomorrow or actually I guess today (groan I haven't been able to get to sleep) I am going to try the bran crackers and make a red pepper hummus and maybe baba ganoush...yummy!!! That would really pick up my veggie count for the day. Although I like veggies with the dips, I also like pita's so I will try the bran crackers as a NFNS option. Oh wait....K10 you figured out the G.L. of Ezekial bread.....I missed that. How did you figure it.....with the nutritional info?
Angie	posted 10-Apr-2009 8:14am Good morning my friends. I had a whole Ezekial muffin with my powdered peanut butter and SF jam. All together it was under 300 calories. I think I am going to like the powdered peanut butter I just have to add a little truvia to it. It is 53 calories for 2 tablespoons. Hilda your daughter will never forget this experience. You want to protect them but you also have to put it in God's hands. I am sure she will have many things to share with you when she gets back. Bronwyn I had a munchie day yesterday too. I hopefully will do better today. In-laws are coming tomorrow so I have got to do some house cleaning and some yard work. Maybe that will keep me too busy to munch. Connie I can't wait to here about the date. My daughter will be 23 in June. She tells me NOTHING! I tell everything. Sometimes I wish I was more like her. I hope everyone has a wonderful Easter weekend.
2girls	posted 10-Apr-2009 9:33am Good Morning! Bronwyn, do you know the recommended number of GLs to have in a day, is it the 55 you mentioned earlier?

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