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No Flour, No Sugar Diet

Summary

Dr. Gott's No Flour, No Sugar Diet presents a simple, straight-forward way to lose weight and keep it off for a lifetime. All you need do is eliminate flour and sugar from your diet.

Description

This diet book contains common-sense techniques on how to eat better and achieve a healthier lifestyle. It gets you to focus on foods that are nutritional and satisfying. Thus, you can both lose weight and become healthier in the process.

You can eat brown rice, lean meats, low-fat dairy products, fruits and vegetables. But, you have to stop eating foods like bagels, pasta, bread, cereal, white rice, cookies, sweets, and cakes.

Many excellent recipes are included in the book with have no flour and sugar, yet taste delicious.

The approach is to keep things simple by just eliminating flour and sugar, the two primary food ingredients that are causing the obesity problem in America. Our culture has become addicted to sweets. This book helps you break the addiction and get on track for eating healthier while losing that extra weight.

History

Dr. Gott is a medical columnist published in over 350 newspaper daily. He is a practicing physician with a general practice in Connecticut. He's also the director of medicine at Hotchkiss School (a prep-school).

Criticism

Giving up bread and sweets may simply be too hard for some people. Sugar is in a great majority of products sold today. While the diet sounds simple, implementing it and sticking to it is quiet a challenge.

31-Aug-2006 11:02am created by bill

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Connie	posted 6-Sep-2008 11:24am Good Morning fellow NFNSer's! I have been tickled pink reading the latest posts. We are so strong right now! Can you feel it? Wow, all of us on board at the same time. Look out world! Welcome Pink. This plan is super easy. Just don't eat anything with flour or sugar in the label. Keep in mind, sugar has a million names! You will become a smart shopper in no time at all. Debbie, what is SIL? You are on the way to being where you want to be! One day at a time, and over time, the results are amazing. bronwyn, always the gourmet cook of the bunch. I am so happy that you have made it past day 4. Your posts are what really got me going and you will forever be my inspiration. Hi Greg. I'm glad you like your job. And happy for you that you haven't gained. Nice to hear from you. Today life is very good. I just tried on my original weeding ring. I had grown out of it many years ago. I got it on! It was way too tight and I almost didn't get it off, but what fun trying! Maybe when I loose 20 more lbs it will fit. I can't wait to see where we all are a year from now. That is what this diet is all about...eating correctly over time. Everyone have a fun time today doing the right stuff.
Debbie	posted 6-Sep-2008 12:11pm SIL (sister-in-law) :)
Debbie	posted 6-Sep-2008 12:14pm Black Bean Chili Recipe 2 – 30 oz cans of black beans* (rinsed) 2 – 15 oz cans of diced tomatoes (drained) 1 jalapeno finely chopped Ľ cup chopped onion 1 tbsp of Taco Seasoning mix 1 tbsp Bragg's Liquid Amino Acids (optional) 1 tsp each of: Red Pepper Flakes Cayenne Pepper Chili Powder Garlic Powder Mix together in a casserole dish and bake at 375 degrees for 1 hour. Stirring after 30 minutes. * I use La Preferida Beans because they don't have preservatives, are cheap and tasty. I use the whole canned ones and just chop one at a time and refrigerate the rest
Debbie	posted 6-Sep-2008 12:16pm The "whole canned ones" refer to jalapenos. :)
bronwyn	posted 6-Sep-2008 2:54pm Sorry Debbie....no flour of any kind. That is why we are talking about Ezekial bread and Ezekial English muffins and so forth (they also make a cereal). The Ezekial brand breads (at least any I have seen) have no flour and no sugar (do read the label). They are made from sprouted grains and sprouted lentils....I have grown to really like them especially the English muffins. I try to not even eat a lot of them though. A whole Ezekial English muffin is 160 calories, 6 grams of fibre, 8 grams of protein, 0.5 grams fat, 30 carbs and 0 sugars and quite satisfying I might add. Hilda restricts herself to only a slice of Ezekial every other day (that would be half a muffin). I have usually one serving a day like 1 muffin or 2 slices of Ezekial.....and FYI Hilda is much more successful than I am. I believe Connie doesn't do the "bread" at all....is that right Connie and as you can see from the posts she is going great guns on dropping the weight. I am hoping to drop the weight eating the "bread" though because for me it is a treat, something I enjoy and I have decided to not waste calories on sugar free products as I really don't believe in artificial sugars. Once I started having the artificial sugar on the last NFNS round then I found I began making worse choices and spending too many calories on useless junk. Hey Deb thanks for the recipe...sounds great!!!! Greg I am glad you enjoy teaching....good for you, getting out there and making a new career! Figure out some easy and good NFNS lunches and you will be right back on track, it takes some time just getting into a new job so good job for maintaining.
Connie	posted 6-Sep-2008 3:25pm You are right bronwyn, I do not eat any kind of bread. But, I do eat NF chips and Triscuits. And Uncle Sam's cereal. I bought some stevia called Stevia Balance on line. It is a natural herb sugar substitute. I use half a packet on my cereal. I try to stay away from artificial sweeteners as much as I possibly can. Really, the only time I use Splenda is in my ice tea. We make it by the gallon and the fam prefers Splenda to stevia. I don't drink it every day, so I am not consuming much. I made it to the store and had a great idea...I think. I was buying shrimp and noticed all of the artificial crab for sale. Yum. We love the crab (artificial) dip. But when I started reading labels, sugar. So, I bought some real crab. A first for me. I went on line and found a recipe and I am going to make my own. I'll let you know how it comes out. It is something else I love to eat so I'm excited. Today I wore jeans I haven't worn in 2 years. Hang in there everyone, change is a comin'!
Debbie	posted 6-Sep-2008 5:03pm Ok, Bronwyn, thank you for straightening me out. The friend of mine who I thought was doing this diet eats 100% whole wheat tortilla wraps. I thought this was ok. I really think I am going to buy the book. The education continues. I am amazed at just how addicting sugar and flour can be. I see this cycle in my life so much and I am ready to break it. I just remembered a book I bought years ago called Life Without Bread.I think I'll have to dig that out and see what it says again. I had that black bean recipe cold and it was good. Deb
bronwyn	posted 7-Sep-2008 2:18am I just have to share this. Tonight my friends had a birthday party in my honour......the food was very yummy and I didn't have the bread. Then they came out with my favourite home made dark rich chocolate cake with berries and ice cream.......honest I didn't even crave it but I felt like such a heel because I declined having a piece of my own birthday cake. I said, "oh my word that looks so delicious but I haven't had sugar for 5 days and I am serious about continuing on with that". My friends are so thin (really thin) and I am sure that they don't get that. If I had been doing this for an extended period of time than I would have had a small piece because it was made especially for me but I couldn't do it on just the 5th day. I am so totally at the stage that I can have absolutely no sugar and do so quite easily but I don't trust myself to not want more if I have some....(you know what I mean)!
Greg	posted 7-Sep-2008 5:45am Debbie, It's a little confusing but 100% whole wheat on the label would be good. 100% whole wheat flour would not. Even a good ingredient ground into flour is out. The idea is that when something is ground so finely into flour it gets digested too quickly. That is why you hear alot of people eating ezekiel products, because there is no flour. Also corn chips because many are made with the ingredient whole corn, not corn flour. Triscuits are another, made with whole wheat, not whole wheat flour and cereals like uncle sam's. Good luck Debbie Bronwyn, Hang in there, we're all rooting for you!
Jillybean	posted 7-Sep-2008 9:15am Bronwyn, I know exactly what you mean! That is where I am too. Not worth chancing trying a little bit at this point. It's just too soon for me. My plan is a good solid 10 days of completely NF/NS before trying even a taste. In fact, I wouldn't even get the Ezekiel bread Friday at the grocery store because it said malted barley in the ingredients. That is a sugar, I think. I am a little confused about it all still, but just in case, I'm not having it yet. I wonder if that isn't why Connie is having so much success? At any rate, I have 5 full days of NF/NS eating behind me. I have a long way to go, but I'm glad I've started. Have a great day, everyone!
Connie	posted 7-Sep-2008 10:13am bronwyn, you did it! What a hurdle to get past, that birthday cake was...and the bread as well. I really worried about having wedding cake at the reception. It was a different flavor at each level. In the past, I would have had a piece of each! But when the time came, I didn't even want it. Also, before I started this plan, I was eating bread and pasta (and cheese, full fat varieties) all of the time. We had been to a winery and learned all about dipping sauces and the many different kinds of bread you can dip into them. Well, we were hooked. That was 4 years ago. I was making my own sauces and buying yummy french breads along with sandwich breads all of the time. And, it just seemed like I couldn't get enough. I was hungry all the time. Or maybe I should say craving all the time. Now, when I get hungry, I stop and think about it and ALWAYS it's because I haven't ate in hours. So, then I eat. The crab dip came out ok at best. I will look for another recipe. I have crab left over. This recipe had lot's of mayo, cream cheese and sour cream in it. What was I thinking? I'll probably toss it out and start over today. It's way to rich and I'm sure fattening. It's been so long since I ate anything that decadent, I just can't enjoy it. Oh well, live and learn. I haven't lost any weight since the 4th. I'm staying steady at 164. Fine with me. I keep an eye on the scales because before this plan the weight was always going up. Just staying steady is cause for celebration. Now I have something interesting to share. One of my sisters had liposuction on her thighs and butt 2 years ago. She has been plagued since birth with large legs, no tapering at the knees or ankles. It was very hard for her growing up. None of the other sister's had legs like that. She is a tiny person. Very small waist, etc. But those legs! Anyway, her plastic surgeon told her he removed twice the amount of fat from her that he normally does. It was dramatic. She went from a size 8-10 to a 4. It was nice that her bottom half fit her top half. When I saw her at the wedding, it was obvious she had gained some weight. The sad thing is, she has gained it in her waist and stomach. She called me yesterday and she is quite sad about it because she has always had a waist to die for. Anyway, she is thinking about starting this plan. It reinforces my idea that eating right is the only way to achieve my goal. Today I am eating only veggies and lean protein. I have been eating a lot of chips these past few days. Too many really. It's funny, I always end up relying on chips, cheese and crackers by the end of each week! I guess like the rest of the world, I'm wore out by Thursday Everyone have a great day!
Debbie	posted 7-Sep-2008 10:46am Good Morning y'all, I just can't believe how easy this whole thing is to do. My blood sugar is so happy with my choices in eating. I used to get low blood sugar all the time which just continued the horrible cycle. No more ups and downs and I havent had any cravings. My 12 year old made chocolate chip cookies yesterday for a football game time snack. She then frosted the cookies with chocolate frosting. It used to be I would have eated several cookies at one time (at least). When I went into the kitchen to look at the pan I automatically pinched a piece off to see what they tasted like, but it was sheer habit. When I realized what I had done I spit it out and stood there in complete amazement. I didn't even want it. The cookies are gone now and I really didn't care when they were here. I was so pleased with myself. From what I understand now I wasn't suppose to have this but this is what I did. First I didn't have the corn chips! Second, I took 100 % whole wheat (flour)tortilla wraps (2) and sprayed them with olive oil, cut them into quarters, placed them on a baking sheet, sprinkled with salt and garlic powder and baked until crisp. I dipped them in the queso. They were so filling. And I thought they were ok at the time. But I resisted the corn chips. And I thought I was doing so good. :( I havent weighed myself. I just want to see if and when my clothes start fitting differently or I see a change in my body. It dosn't really matter what I weigh I suppose because I'm still fat. I know I will have to weigh sometime soon though because I need to know what I am doing is working. When ever I looked at the scale the last time it said 205. I sooooo want to see 100 somthing the next tiime I look. Here's to you Bronwyn! You are taking care of yourself!!Congrats on your 5 days and Happy Birthday to you!! You too Connie! I'm right behind you two, going on my thrid day today. Thanks Greg for the info. I really appriciate the help from all of you. If it weren't for this group I would still be in S/F land.
Debbie	posted 7-Sep-2008 1:47pm I JUST GOT MY BOOK AND ITS SO AWSOME. To those who do not have the book: You are really missing out. It is so helpful. Off to the store.
bronwyn	posted 7-Sep-2008 2:44pm Debbie I do have the book but I honestly haven't read very much of it nor tried out any of the recipes....I need to find it so I can do that. Debbie we are really at the same point with our weight so I too am anxious to get under that 200....I can't stand the thought of being this heavy.....groan!!!! Hey good for you not caving into the cookies. Just like last night with the cake I so often think oh well I will eat it now and then start over again tomorrow......dumb, dumb, dumb because you never really get anywhere doing that. Anyways we didn't cave and it feels so good. Connie you have the right attitude about being happy with maintaining until you body is ready to release some more weight. It may make it a little easier to already be feeling pretty good about being able to see the changes you have made....smaller sizes and better control. I seldom have felt too tempted to do any surgical procedure voluntarily so I can't imagine doing the liposuction. Jillybean my motto is "I am really good at having no sugar at all but I am very bad at having just a little sugar so I choose to have no sugar". When the sugar temptation is there I keep trying to tell myself that. I don't know if there is a backlash to that and if it can be counterproductive by my feeling that when I do make a slip ..."well what the heck it is open season on goodies now". Anyways I still think the motto helps me and I will continue with it. Thanks Greg, we are all rooting for you as well!!! Go team go!!!!
Debbie	posted 8-Sep-2008 8:55am I love that motto! I think I am better too at no sugar at all at this point. I liked reading the part about after you achieve your ideal weight you can add back in a little sugar and flour now and then while watching the scale. Dr. Gott says if you gain any weight go back to NF/NS until it is gone. That gives me encouragement that I won't be restricked forever, just for now. It this point I will do it like you Bronwyn and forgo the cake, but I would like to have it at birthdays and weddings. Is anyone interested in having a "weigh in" day?
Debbie	posted 8-Sep-2008 10:45am I don't mean to get praechy but I came across this scripture today and thought it might be helpful to us as we journey through out "diet". 1 Corinthians 10: 13 But remember that the temptations that come into your life are no different from what others experience. And God is faithful. He will keep the temptation from becoming so strong that you can't stand up against it. When you are tempted, he will show you a way out so that you will not give in to it.
bronwyn	posted 8-Sep-2008 3:24pm Debbie I had a weigh in day today and believe me there was no woohooing or rejoicing of any kind at the scales.......it has been a week and nothing to show for it except that I am sticking with NFNS. My lack of luck at the scale resulted in way too many almonds but NFNS.
Debbie	posted 8-Sep-2008 6:07pm Just hang in there bronwyn. Maybe you are having a no loss week. Remember our cycles play a part in when we lose and when we don't. Keep on keeping on!
Greg	posted 8-Sep-2008 7:15pm Debbie, that was a beautiful verse! Thanks
Jillybean	posted 8-Sep-2008 7:47pm Oh, Bronwyn, you and I are alike! I really had to fight with myself to stay off the scales this morning. Finally, my be-kind-to-me side won out. I reasoned that 1) No matter what it said, I still was going to eat the same way today. 2) I don't need to know for any reason other than curiosity. 3) It's not going to change the size pants I wear today or even next week. 4) There is no reason to beat myself up if the scale doesn't say a low enough number. And 5) The scales are just not my friend at all anymore and I am going to avoid them as long as possible. So, now I have a full week of NS/NF eating. I am very happy tonight. Hope everyone else is too.
Connie	posted 9-Sep-2008 10:39am Morning all. I see everyone is doing good on NFNS. I hate temptation. I literally have to "do something" to get my brain elsewhere. I have two trips coming up. One, to stay with a niece who is relocating to a new state. I will be there a week while she waits for her husband to get there. She is my niece that just got married. She is 25, 100 lbs, eats whatever she wants! This is going to be a challenge. I don't know if she can cook, or if she'll be ok with my eating plan. Eating out is out of the question, unless it's an actual restaurant. Hmmm. I can make it work, but she is stressed, new state, new job. She is a new teacher and will be teaching 2nd grade. I don't want to add to her stress, but fast food is out. Yesterday scales read 163, this morning 164. I think this the longest I've stayed at one weight. Slow and steady wins the race! Think about how wonderful we are being to our bodies, even when the scales don't move. I remember reading somewhere years ago that heart disease was not a prominent health problem until after the invention of the mill. Of course, I was born and raised on white bread and mac and cheese,so I thought that statement was crazy. But I never forgot it. Now, I think about it every day. OK, everyone have a great one.
bronwyn	posted 9-Sep-2008 1:58pm Oh my word.....I am so going to have to be faithful to my NFNS plan in order to avoid being such a huge liar. I had to renew my drivers license today. I guess my vital statistics especially weight had not been updated for like EVER!!! The clerk renewing it read off the info including a weight I would presently kill for (just kidding). She said is all this info right and I just kind of nodded and she said, "have there been any changes". I am sure she was looking at me and thinking....like your weight....maybe that has changed a wee bit (no a whole big bit). I just nodded. At that point the counter was blocking most of my girth.....I thought oh my gosh how am I going to get out of here . I have no idea what came over me because I am totally an honest person.....but admitting to my weight in public was just not something I could do this morning. Now I have a goal weight written right on my drivers license.... I had in the back of mind what if she makes me stand on some scales! Fellow NFNS'ers I have to be successful so I don't want to live with this quilt forever. Wouldn't you know it a police officer was driving right in front of me on the highway coming home...and pulled over a car for speeding (not me fortunately I was feeling so guilty that I don't know what I would have done if it had been me pulled over.......I would have been like I am so sorry I know it isn't my real weight but I am on a diet, really , really and I haven't had any flour or sugar for a week now and it will be my real weight....really, really, really.........and then I would have been taken away in a little white jacket and the officer would have been shaking his head going I say only going to give you a speeding ticket!!! Still totally NFNS. Have a great day.
Debbie	posted 9-Sep-2008 2:23pm LOL I feel ya. Mine isn't right either. I have to renew mine in June 09. I better keep on track or I will find myself lying also.:)
Jillybean	posted 9-Sep-2008 4:22pm Regarding weight on a driver's license.. My license has the same weight on it that I had put on it when I was 16 (many, many years ago). And I've only seen that weight once in my life since then and that was a couple years ago after following the very strict diet that I talked about a few days ago. I never changed it and I never felt guilty about it. Hey, it's a woman's prerogative (had to google THAT one before I could spell it!) to lie about her age! If I could lie about my age on there, I'd probably do that too! (You did notice I didn't say how long ago I was 16, right?) Anyway, thanks, Bronwyn, for the laugh today! You are too funny! And I'm still right there with you - a full week of NF/NS!
Connie	posted 9-Sep-2008 4:59pm That is the cutest blog ...ever! I got me thinking about my driver's license. I dug it out and it's not on there. Here in TN they must know better than to ask!
Hilda	posted 9-Sep-2008 5:30pm I am still maintaining, but ready to get the next 10 pounds off so I can buy some new pants for winter. I bought a head of cauliflower today and was thinking that when I first started I ate an apple every day. Made my 4 can soup again and am enjoying the comments above. What kind of popcorn do you think is best for weight loss? I enjoy that as a snack.
Mary	posted 9-Sep-2008 9:22pm Hi all, I'm currently doing NFNS and I think I've lost about 3 pounds. I get addicted to the scale, so I'm avoiding it. I'm also stepping up the exercise and I'm beginning to feel some muscles. I need to lose about 25 pounds. Bronwyn (love the name), that's a cute story about the driver's license. Last time I got mine renewed, it still said 125! from like 15 years ago! I crossed it out and put my correct weight per the instructions, but when I got the new one in the mail, it still had the old weight! Well, I tried. And I'm never going to be 125 again, I think 135 would be the lowest I'd look good at at my age. Anyway, I look forward to getting to know you all.
Debbie	posted 10-Sep-2008 8:46am Today we are celebrating our 20th wedding anniversary. My husband Steve lost his battle with losing weight 4 years ago. He finally gave up. He decided after 30 years of losing and gaining the weight back he had to do something more aggressive. He had RNY weight loss surgery. He promptly went from 315 (he is only 5' 7") to 175 pounds and he has been at that weight ever since. It truely was a God send for him. At the time we got married he was fat and I was thin. Now 20 years later I am fat and he is thin. Go figure. While I am truely happy for my husband, it does very little for my self esteme to be heavy, especially when we see people we haven't seen in years. No one says anything bad about me but I can just hear what is going on in their heads and its humiliating. Ok, enough whaa whaa whaa. I have great news. I just can't BELIEVE what I saw just now. I wanted to see what the last 5 days on NF/NS was doing for me. I thought that if I saw some progress on the scale it would give me a better attitude for the day. We are going out for dinner tonight in celebration of our day and I want to feel inspired. So at the risk of giving power to the scale I got on it. You know that sinking feeling you get for the entire day if what it says dosn't flatter you? Well, Bronwyn, talking to you, (sweet and sour here, I know you'll understand)I didn't see a "one" at the beginning of my weight but pretty darn close to it. 200 lbs today exactly. OOOOOH so close and yet sooooo far. I didn't get under 200 but it was 200!!!! I have lost 5 lbs in 5 days. UNREAL! I am obviously stoked. I know the weight will not continue to practically fall off but I am very pleased with this weeks results. Its just the information I needed to go out tonight. Connie, Is this (my body) remembering enough for you. I guess you were right!! Hope my body dosn't begin to forget. lol Last night we went to a school function. They served us supper afterthe meeting. Oh my goodness, the meal was nothing but flour and sugar sugar sugar. I managed to stay true to my diet though. Hey me!~ Have a great day everyone. We will be dining at the Bonefish Grill tonight. It's my first time there. Anyone have any meal recommendations? Deb:)
Hilda	posted 10-Sep-2008 9:41am Most restaurants have a dinner salad with blue cheese dressing, or take your own dressing in a small container in your purse. I like to order tilapia or steak when I go out. Most places now have baked sweet potato or grilled vegetables.
Connie	posted 10-Sep-2008 10:13am Debbie, good for you! My initial weight loss was dramatic too. I hope it continues for you. I look at this plan as "forever', but I really find myself thinking about where I will be in a year. If I lose one lb a month, I will be happy. Everyone's weight loss will be different (obviously), But according to everything I have read, it will happen. For me, when I look at it long term, it takes the pressure off. Welcome aboard Mary. I am happy for you that you have found this site. It has been a blessing for me and I hope it will be for you too. Lot's to do today. Good luck to all.
Tres	posted 10-Sep-2008 4:11pm I just love reading all the post......everyone is such an inspiration. I fell off the wagon but am back on......
bronwyn	posted 10-Sep-2008 9:13pm I am so trying to be happy for you guys that are having success.....jealousy is a mean mistress. I have lost a tentative lb. ....which is only 1 of the lbs. towards getting back to where I was in the winter when I was doing NFNS and had lost 10 lbs. and then regained that 10 lbs. I am still NFNS though so I am hoping some how this will work for me. Gee Deb tht is gret 5 lbs. in 5 days, you will break 200 anytime now.......
Debbie	posted 10-Sep-2008 10:24pm Oh Bronwyn, I feel ya. I really do but you are going to do it. You did it once and you will do it again and even more weight will come off. Slow and steady, slow and steady. Congratulations on your 1 pound. Don't forget that is a 3 thousand 5 hundred calorie difference. YOU ARE DOING it!!!!!
Tres	posted 11-Sep-2008 9:04am Day two back on the track......I noticed this morning that I was really hungry....well, I don't know if it was really hunger growling or just my stomach working and eating the fat. It went away before I even ate breakfast......I noticed some of you avoid artificial sweetner (splenda) is it because you already have a sweet tooth and it makes it worse and makes you want sweet stuff or does it slow down your weight loss? I have two packets of splenda in my oatmeal each morning and I have 1 diet coke at lunch everyday. Please help....
Jillybean	posted 11-Sep-2008 9:27am My two cents (maybe ten cents...) about weight and scales: Sometimes it's just water weight because I ate too much salt or my hormones are doing their thing. Sometimes it's actually muscle that I am losing or gaining. And sometimes it is truly the fat that I want so much to lose that is the reason for the scales dropping. Sometimes I've really lost fat, but because, for whatever reason, I am holding on to a little water today or this week, or I'm building some muscle, the scales say I have not lost any weight. And it is true. If the scale says I have not lost any WEIGHT, that is true. It DOES NOT MEAN, necessarily, that I HAVE NOT LOST any FAT! In other words-the scales are pretty useless on a daily or even weekly basis. If you are feeling good about yourself and what you are doing, that should be all that matters. The fat WILL go away, NO MATTER what the scales say, as long as you are eating right and getting some exercise. Scales are not our friends. Comparing myself to others is not being a friend to myself. If I am in a place where I am feeling pressure to get on the scales because so and so did this and it makes me think "I ought to see how I am doing," then something else is wrong. I am grateful that I am not in a race anymore to be the best or even sometimes to just be as good as. Because that's not me. I am who I am. Some people are better at some things than me. I'm better than them at other things. The scales also try to compare me to myself - to see if I was "good enough" yesterday, and the scale doesn't know what it is talking about! Is it fat? Water? Muscle? Who knows? Therefore, my stance is to STAY OFF THE SCALES!! PS I hope I have not come on too strong. I like reading these threads, but if it's going to cause me to start obsessing too much about weight, instead of learning about NF/NS, I won't put myself in jeopardy that way. I've fought the scales too long and I'm not going back there again. PSS Nine whole days of NS/NF!!
Debbie	posted 11-Sep-2008 9:36am Tres, Dr. Gott talks about each kind of sweetener in his book, artificial and natural. He says on his plan they are ok because how else are you going to reduce calories which is ultimately the way weight is lost. He says the used of them helps to satisfy your sweet tooth and still stick with the NF/NS diet. But the commercial sweeteners are not your only option. There are natural sugar substitutes you can use too. Liquid fruit sweeteners, are made from concentrated fruit juices. You can buy these at health food stores or some supermarkets. He likes one called Fruit Sweet by Wax Orchard. You can also make your own fruit sweetener by boiling down frozen fruit juice concentrate. Bring to boil and then simmer about 10 minutes until it thickens. Apple juice is best as the flavor won't over power recipe as other juices might. Also Agave cactus nectar. But used sparingly as it still has calories but less than sugar. Stevia is a highly under rated sweetener that has been used for years in Japan (since 1970) Its listed as a diet supplement but it is a great sweetener and calorie free. I haven't tried it yet but I would like to have something for my coffee besides artificial sweetners. I try to limit my use of sweet-n-low, splenda and equal, but am not entirely against them. There are those who think they aren't good for your body and think they only lead to wanting more sweets and create a bio need for more sweets. Its controversial. I just don't have all the facts. We are allowed the use of products like sugar free pudding and jello made with the above, just make sure to read their labels and are NF/NS. Hope this helps. Deb
Tres	posted 11-Sep-2008 12:15pm Thank you Deb....I don't have a sweet tooth anyway so I am lucky in that aspect. I eat the quaker oats multi grain oatmeal but I do have to add my splenda to it....sometimes cinnamon. I don't eat any of the sugar free desserts because I don't feel as though I need or crave them so I guess my two packets of splenda and one diet coke everyday is not hurting me. Thank you for the information. I do not have the book....someone told me that the book was too complicated to follow and if you just did the NFNS and followed it, kept it simple then you will/can lose weight. He has lost over 40 lbs and his wife lost over 30 in no time flat. They only walk 2 miles a day...no more no less..he eats the Honey Nut Cherrios everynight before going to bed and stil looses.....I don't do that but I do/am trying to follow it as strickly as I can...you all are doing great and welcome all you newcomers!
Connie	posted 12-Sep-2008 10:11am Morning everyone! I woke up this morning to discover I gained 2 lbs! Not a surprise since I have been overeating for the last 48 hours. Really, I'm surprised I haven't gained more. Stress eating. I knew it when I was doing it, but that didn't stop me. Jeez, the older I get I more I become the front of the magazine. You know, all the articles listed on the cover...lose ten lbs, sleep better at night, quiz yourself on relationships, etc. It's too depressing! I probably eat for every emotion. And, as usual, cheese is my comfort food. The worst part is I let my focus go and I need to work on that. I also need to get to the store and buy some more veggies. I'm going to drink tons of water today. And try to chill. It sucks being a worrier! Best to all.
Anonymous	posted 12-Sep-2008 1:58pm Stop buying the foods you are not in control of. Stay off the cheese and substitute something else that is low cal. I have to avoid almonds for awhile. I am not buying any. If you have a lot on hand, I think you could freeze it.
Debbie	posted 12-Sep-2008 3:48pm Hello friends, My friend is making pizza that she says we can have on our diet. I hope she is not thinking 100% whole wheat pita because I don't eat that. I might just have to eat the toppings. She is putting on turkey pepperoni and mushroom. Connie, Emotional eating is hard to deal with. Do something else besides eat. Learn to crochet, ride a stationary bike, go out and take a walk, call a friend or mow the lawn. Just get away from the kitchen........Chew gum or keep your teeth brushed. I always hate to eat when my teeth are freshly brushed. Pour yourself into a good book. Look up Oprahs book club books. I used to read those years ago. You can read and watch TV at the same time. It keeps your hands busy that way. Have a nice weekend and I'll read you all later. Make good choices everyone. You can do it!! Deb
bronwyn	posted 12-Sep-2008 5:51pm Sigh~ anonymous ......how I wish freezing delectables made them less delectable to me when I am in a crazy craving mood usually brought on by worry and stress. Frozen chocolate can be thrown on a cement floor (in the wrapper) and broken into small pieces that can melt in your mouth even though you can't quite get your teeth through it. Frozen cashews are almost as good as non-frozen and of course ice cream is best frozen. There has been a word that young people tend to use that I find lacking in good taste....even vulgar and crass and one that when I have heard my kids use it over the years I would strongly protest them using such language. Today I feel it to be a fitting word for how I feel....... "it sucks to be fat", " "it sucks to be constantly trying to lose weight", "it sucks to be obsessed with food and it's macronutirents", "it sucks to have nothing to wear......or nothing that I like the way I look in it to wear, or things I would not have picked to buy to wear if I was thin". I can honestly say that the largest regret I have in my life is having allowed myself to gain all this weight all those years ago and all the emotional and physical energy I have put into fighting my tendency to stuff down my feelings with food. I regret the waste of time and talent of being obsessed with this whole issue for 20 years and never having won. A 100 years ago when I graduated from High School I weighed 115 lbs. today I weigh 205 lbs............it is not normal to have put on that much weight in my life time ....... there is no justification for that kind of a weight gain.......none nor is there any happiness in having been that out of control in my eating. It never was about the food.......the food made me feel better temporarily when I was eating (specifically chocolate.......in fact this is overall a chocolate and sweets weight gain). I truly don 't binge anymore.......that doesn't mean I don' t occassionally overeat but that is different than bingeing. Jillybean the scales work for some people.......even though they don't work for you. Fly Lady recommends weighing everyday. I don 't know if it is good for me to weigh or not......I know there were years I didn't weigh and I wish I hadn't stayed off the scales because I "kidded" myself that I was gaining so much weight.......I didn't believe it was that much even though my clothes didn't fit and I was moving up in sizes.............I avoided the truth by staying off the scales. I never believed I would have got to where I am today...........It has been almost two week of no flour and no sugar and my weight was up a lb. today...........what is that all about!!!!! It sucks to gain weight when you are watching other people eat treats and you are so diligently avoiding them. I know this sounds so self absorbed and like a "downer"........but I think I have to accept the reality that I have a really serious weight issue that isn't going to be solved by just not eating flour and sugar. Issues related to my old excessive eating of chocolate and sweets to deal with my feelings are pretty much resolved (there are always,,,,stresses that never goes away for anyone it is part of the human experience) ~~but the weight remains and my inability to lose it remains my constant emotional and physical companion.
Debbie	posted 13-Sep-2008 10:17am I don't have any experience with this but I have heard that Overeaters Anomymous has a 12 step program to help you cope with overeating issues. Does anyone here have any information or experience with this?
bronwyn	posted 13-Sep-2008 1:27pm Debbie I am not over eating..... I am just not losing weight. I think it is as a result of all of the dieting I have done previously....my metabolism is messed up I am sure. It is just frustrating to be working hard at it .... being diligent and not losing. Even now that I feel discouraged I am not just caving in and eating junk...I am not giving up I am continuing on with NFNS but I think I need to do something more stringent.
Jaz	posted 13-Sep-2008 1:35pm Im doing something like the no flour no sugar diet , it's called the rainbow diet. The book is by Dr. Braverman. " The Edge Effect. " Its pretty much the same but I think it's better. I have been doing it for four days now and loss three pounds so far. I haven't been hungry and I feel really good. TEA is recommended on this program and I have been drinking three cups a tea a day. I just feel so much more focused and calm. I have never felt this great on any diet. I highly recommend it . But again its pretty much the same.
param	posted 13-Sep-2008 5:00pm Hi everybody I started this nfns on sept.7,08.In these 6 days I neither loose nor gain but I didn't feel hungry.I am 170 pounds and I want to loose 50 pounds. I am doing treadmill(walking)for 4 hours per week. Can anybody tell me how long I should walk to loose atleast 2-3 lbs a week.I didn't buy nfns book yet.Is there anything about exercise in that book.
Debbie	posted 13-Sep-2008 5:13pm Param, They recommend half and hour a day.
Debbie	posted 13-Sep-2008 5:29pm Bronwyn, The book says that you may need to count calories. While the NF/NS is a good way to lose weight, its because you usually cut calories by eating this way. It also say bottom line is you can eat too many calories with this diet. Occasionally is necessary to count calories to get an idea of portion control. He says you have to eat on average 500 calories less per day to lose a pound a week. Do you exercise at all? I haven't but I need to start because I don't want the weight loss to stop, which I think it will especially since cooler weather is coming and I won't be outside as much. Deb
Debbie	posted 13-Sep-2008 8:55pm Jaz, I never heard of the rainbow diet so I had to look it up. Interesting. Good luck to you.
Connie	posted 14-Sep-2008 3:14pm I went off the NFNS today. I've had a toothache since Fri afternoon, can't get into the dentist until tomorrow. So, today I had soup and some soft bread. I didn't even think about it, just ate it. I know that little bit will not hurt in the long run. bronwyn, I think jump starting you metabolism would help a lot. I remember you writing you have bad knees. Is there any exercise you can do that's not making you go out of your way too much? An indoor pool? Or a stationary bike? I really need to get started on a plan myself. One of these days! Hang in there.
Lady Di	posted 14-Sep-2008 9:14pm I just started with the No Flour No Sugar Diet last Thursday..I am pleaantly surprise that I am not hungry all the time..I have already lost 4 pounds..I am sure it is mostly water..but a lose is a lose..right?? Trust me..I have been on every diet in the world..from Weight Watchers..Jenny Craig..NutraSystem..you name it..I've tried it.. So far so good on this one..I just hope that I don't get bored..that is what usually happens to me and then I go back to my old habits..
Hilda	posted 14-Sep-2008 9:28pm Bronwyn, please , please read the Dr. Phil book. It is so encouraging. Highlight the parts that speak to you and reread them every day!
Debbie	posted 14-Sep-2008 10:47pm I have the Dr. Phill book. It is very good. You need to read it all and do all the exercises. I actually make cardboard keys and wrote down what he said for each key. I had them laminated at Kinko's Copy center. Really Bronwyn, it could be very helpful to you.
Hilda	posted 15-Sep-2008 1:05am On the jacket, he says to quit lying to yourself and get real about making the ultimate choice to finally take control of your weight and your life. Start behaving positively or stop behaving negatively. Step up and do what it takes to have what you want. Stop gambling with your weight and your health. Start reaching for all you are capable of doing, being and having. Discard all the toxic messages and replace them with positive thoughts.
bronwyn	posted 15-Sep-2008 1:47am Sorry you guys I know I must sound like a needy "emo kid" looking for attention....I really am not I am just at my wits end and finding it hard to tie a knot and hang on. I am so tired of the whole food, weight diet business. No whatI am really tired of is not having success.....that is the bottom line. For me "getting real" is probably truly believing in my self and counting calories for a while. I can't discount the benefit of cutting out especially sugar.....it does help to control cravings so I do want to stick with that. I do need more though than just NFNS for a while though...I need to have success. I just ate so poorly today feeling defeated and "sorry" for myself....which was a reminder of how crummy I feel when I eat poorly and how it makes me crave and feel out of control....not the way I want to feel. Hilda thank you for your words.....I am sorry I am not a Dr. Phil fan and I don't think he is real....I think he has turned his brand of psychology into big business and that he needs to "get real". Because of my lack of respect for Dr. Phil his writings won't reach me or talk to me.....I know the words are good but I can't connect with them...I do have the book. I think I will start to work through a book I have about connecting with your feelings and working through weight issues.....I think the idea is good I just think we need to seek that kind of advise from someone we respect and feel a connection with. You guys are all doing so well and thanks for letting me vent ..... occassionally I just need to blow off some steam with regards to my frustrations with this whole issue of fatness and dieting.
Debbie	posted 15-Sep-2008 8:58am Bronwyn, Did I read that you are a FlyLady fan? (Is your sink shinning?)I too am a FLyBaby!! She has a book you might want to read called Body Clutter. I understand how you feel about just wanting to vent. It used to be that my husband would try to fix whatever problem I was talking about at the moment. But I just needed to vent for a while. So he finally learned to just listen and it has added a lot to our relationship. Go ahead and vent. It has a lot of benifit to coping and getting thru a tough time. We are not fair weather friends here. We will take the good times and tough ones. Still at 200 here. 205/200/150 Deb
bronwyn	posted 15-Sep-2008 11:00am Debbie our stats are exactly the same except mine haven't started to move down yet. I remember many years ago as my weight was moving upward that I considered 150 as being incredibly heavy. How perspective can change, eh. I would love to be 150 now. Debbie I do flutter not really fly and yes I have read body clutter. Ooh a toothache....I hate that, have you been to the dentist yet. Connie at least when you went off NFNS for a day you only ate soup and bread, I doubt that will undo any of your good efforts. Lady Di welcome and you are already seeing the benefits of NFNS in the fact you aren't hungry all of the time. I have also done all of the programs you mentioned (except Jennie Craig) and more.....so if we haven't gotten any lighter than we have certainly both lightened our wallets. Debbie and I are trying in fling 50 to 55 lbs, of body clutter......what are your goals? Connie and Hilda have been moving quite consistently down the scales. There a are several others on here that continue to NFNS and have success so good luck and let us hear about your continued success. Monday a new day and a new week.....
Connie	posted 15-Sep-2008 1:35pm Hello everyone. Made it to the dentist. I'm having a root canal tomorrow. Whatever! My teeth are my biggest expense at this point in my life. And I'm a flosser! I am paying the price for not visiting the dentist growing up and all those huge cavaties are turning into crowns and some of them root canals. I don't know what people without insurance do. I still weigh 164. I've been there since Sept. 4th. Today, I tried on some pants I had ordered in the spring. When I bought them, I could not even get them to close around my stomach. And it looked like I was about to rip the seams in the thighs. I would have sent them back, but I threw out the receipt. So, this morning I tried them on. And they fit wonderfully. Not tight at all. Even if I never lose another lb, I am very happy. It is so wonderful to have something else to wear besides my 1 pair of jeans and 1 pair of capri's. bronwyn, I wonder if you could be plateauing at the beginning! No doubt all of your previous dieting has something to do with this. Somewhere on line I read someone's story (haven't been able to find it since) and they were at a plateau for a year, and then started losing again. I know not losing quickly is frustrating, but I really believe it will happen for you if you stick with it. Even though I haven't lost recently, I swear my love handles are disappearing. And my thighs are getting slimmer. Changes are still taking place even though the scales haven't moved. Do you think you could do this for 1 or 2 months without getting on the scales? Do you think this is a plan you could stick with that long? I think you would notice differences before the 2 month deadline. I absolutely think this is the plan for everyone. I will be NFNS for the rest of my life. Flour and sugar are not an option. I do not feel like I am dieting. Do you feel like you are dieting? That feeling could be making you feel deprived. A setup for failure. Lot's to think about!
bronwyn	posted 16-Sep-2008 12:36pm Connie I have been doing a lot of the same dental work as well.....yikes!!!! My dental insurance is minimal and certainly doesn't cover all of the expensive stuff I have had to do and still have to do. Best wishes on your day at the dentist. Connie I would also be very happy with 164..... I agree you are in a good place enjoy it and let the rest come off as it may with you continuing to NFNS.
Tres	posted 16-Sep-2008 1:42pm Very Very well put Connie.......I don't feel as though I am dieting....I feel very satisfied with my choices and options on this way of life......I do slip up but I recoginze where I slipped and what made me slip and avoided the situation the next time around....it is knowing yourself, your surroundings, your lows and highs.....you have to be aware and make the right choice but I do believe that this way of living is a plan for everyone. Drugs are bad so you don't do them......some foods are bad....so AVOID them.......don't go to the store hungry or sad and low wait until you are in a good mood and feel good about yourself...overweight people or not ugly it is the inside that counts but it is unhealthy....come on bronwyn....you know you can do this....you have your own personal cheering squad right here! GO BRONWYN GO BRONWYN GO BRONWYN.....YEAH BRONWYN....ok...enough of that....LOL Still young at heart I guess...
Connie	posted 16-Sep-2008 3:28pm Bronwyn, is there such a thing as good dental insurance? I maxed mine out early in the year. I charged it today. I learned on the MI trip to not put dental work off, that will only end up costing you twice what it should have! By the way, today's visit lasted forever. I'm such a baby, I always end up tearing up and crying a little while in the chair. But I love my dentist and his staff. And as much as I hate for my husbands Christmas bonus to go dental work, I am happy and blessed we get a bonus. OK, so what did you think about my questions? Maybe you could commit to this, no scales, until late Nov. Just in time for the Holidays when a little bit of cheating would be called for. You know, I am not kidding when I say I was a serious chocoholic! Many times my husband came home from work, inquired about dinner and had to deal with the fact I was having 3 candy bars and he was on his own! And my fav is dark chocolate. People were always buying me stuff with "chocolate lover, crazy chocolate lady, etc" on them. My favorite thing to say was "chocolate is my favorite vegetable." There is nothing better on earth. Then, two years ago my father passed away and all of my sisters had a sleep over on the day of his headstone dedication. You can imagine the intense emotional state we were all in. We stayed up very late, talking and I had the BIGGEST bowl of m&m's on my lap all night. It was huge and heavy. And I sat there and ate them for hours and hours. The next day, I had no craving's, of course, but I noticed I never really had the same cravings again. Sure, I could finish off a bag, box, whatever. Just very rarely. I don't know, maybe it was my dwindling hormones. It just seemed like once I put it out of my mind it didn't take long to give it up. And when I did have some, it was no big deal, not the end of everything I was doing that was correct. When your in this for the long haul, a detour now and then is not going to make that much of a difference. All the things you do right will far outweigh an occasional indulgence. How's that for a pep talk! We are all rooting for you.
Debbie	posted 16-Sep-2008 3:48pm A few minutes ago I asked my daughter to mow the back yard and when she gets done my son to mow the front. She said "No, I won't do it." I reminded her that there was a party she wanted to got to this weekend and she would not be allowed to go if she didn't get started within 10 minutes. She argued some more about not doing it and then dissapeared. After a few minutes she started to mow. Kids (rolls eyes)
bronwyn	posted 16-Sep-2008 4:08pm I have to say that reading your encouraging words has made me mist up....here are these people I have never met and they believe in me and I don't even believe in myself. I think being fat has it's own destructive, negative cycle of behaviour. Hating being fat and feeling depressed....eating out of stress and depression....feeling more fat and then eating more because you feel fat and depressed. I have been in that cycle so many times....I am not really there right now but I am not as committed to the program as I need to be because I feel there is no use.....I can't and won't lose weight no matter what I do (now that is the over riding feeling I have at the moment due to lack of success). I have Dr. Gott's book sitting right here...I think I will follow his menu's for a couple of weeks....quit focusing on food just blindly follow his food plan.....make what he says and leave my thought of food there. That is hard for me to do as I seldom follow recipes,,,,hate structure of that, having to have the right ingredients and so forth. Enough about poor old Bronwyn though....I am getting too much attention....we all have struggles and needs and I am feeling way too needy here Connie what do you mean I learned on the MI trip to not put off dental work......which yes I do put off dental work all the time. I maxed out my insurance at the beginning of the year and more with a root canal and crowns on two teeth.....I have two more to do that I was suppose to have done months ago but I am dragging my feet. I will have to pay for it out of my pocket but I also have great dental anxiety.....I can totally relate to the tearing in the chair. I have so much anxiety that it is hard for me to pick up the phone and make an appointment....like I wait until I have the pain and there is no choice (Connie does that sound familiar Debbie are your kid home in the middle od the day.....do you home school????
Connie	posted 16-Sep-2008 5:42pm Last year, almost 2 years ago now, I needed 6 crowns! Egads! I, too, have extreme dental anxiety. Actually, I have an anxiety disorder. Runs in my family. But I am much better now, thanks to an anti-depressant. Have you ever considered one? Saved my life. Anyway, I used up all of my insurance last year before, long before, I completed all the work. So, I put the rest off till this year. Maxed out again and wanted to put off again, but ended up with a root canal that could have been avoided right before my MI trip. That did not take. I've been told that happens a lot, so I ended up at the dentist in MI and then back to mine when I got home. The tooth they worked on today is next to the other one. Both of those crowns I put off. Then there is my husband's "put it off" story. But it is a scary one and we are still in it, so I'll share when it's done. Let me just say it's extreme and he has to see a surgeon and possible jaw reconstruction! By the way, you can and will lose weight. I really think it is just a matter of time for your body to see what's up and respond accordingly. Remember me talking about my friend, diabetic, cut out sugar and flour and lost so much weight it's scary. She told me to try it, said "it melt's off." And she was right. IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU TOO!!!!!! Dancing around the plan will not let your body respond like you want it to, and more importantly, like your body wants to. Concentrate on being strict with your ingredients first. I know you are not overeating when you say it. We know when we are doing that. After a time, you will probably be eating less naturally. When I started this plan I felt happy, hopeful and relieved. Finally I knew how to do something right! Embrace it girl!
Connie	posted 16-Sep-2008 6:09pm bronwyn, I forget to mention, my husband may have Canada assigned to him at work. He is in sales. I was wondering if you would be comfortable telling me what city you live in? The chance of me traveling with him anytime soon is small, but you never know!
Debbie	posted 16-Sep-2008 7:54pm Nope, not a homeschooler. But I think homeschooling is awsome. The best families I know are good Christian homeschoolers. Does anyone here home school? My kids get off the bus at 3:00. Our lawn really needed mowing as we had record braking rains the last several days. I'm really wanting to weigh myself but I'm going to wait until Friday when it will officially be 2 weeks of NF/NS. Keep hanging in there everyone.
Anonymous	posted 16-Sep-2008 8:45pm Connie I think I will make myself go back to the dentist even though it is going to be very expensive with no insurance left (and nerve wracking)but your husbands story (which thankfully you didn't give all the scary details to.....did frighten me). The thing that makes me so mad at myself is that I didn't go to the dentist last year and use my insurance or else then some of it could of gone on last years insurance and not have been so much out of pocket work to do. The reason I didn't go was procrastination because of fear. Connie in all honesty the last couple of days I have been over eating......just despair and discouragement. You know I keep thinking about your beginnings in NFNS and how strict you were with your eating. I think this is what I need to do as well. When I started on Feb 11th (I think it was)....I was very strict with flour and sugar but that was about it....I didn't think about calories or carbs. I lost 5 lbs. a month for 2 months and then quit losing.....you know I think I got discouraged way too quickly. I expected to keep that weight off with the idea I would return to the program with a vengance again and take off another 10 and so forth but I returned to some bad habits which resulted in cravings which resulted in some weight gain which resulted in discouragement which resulted in more chocolate consumption and then the whole thing collapsed.....it is the dreaded diet failure cycle. Starting again back at the same weight (the lost 10 back on) was so discouraging and upsetting!!!! I am so miserable at this weight that I can't stand it and yet that isn't motivating it is just discouragingweird, eh!!!! Connie in the beginning I remember thinking you were probably in ketosis. I have to quit promising myself that I will be super strict and then giving in mid day. I have to get back to strict NFNS and get rid of the cravings...cut carbs and cut calories and get some lard off!!! Connie from your location I expect your husband would be going to Toronto or Quebec for business. I live in Alberta. I don't want to offend you by explaining where that is but I have almost always found that American's really don't know too much about Canada....sorry if that sounds bad or is offensive. So on the West Coast is British Columbia and then Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, the Maritime provinces and then of course I didn't mention the NW territories and so forth. Do you know where he will be going in Canada. If it is in the East it will be a very long distance from where I am...to put it in perspective I am about 150 miles north of the Montana border. Okay so now everybody is mad at me and thinking I am being arrogant and snotty, eh That would be totally fun though if he was to come this direction....I guess it is possible but not likely because of the distance. Let me know if you find out where. Connie I am just trying to figure out how to get back.....really back and do it like you did it......do you have any idea how many carbs you were having a day. I have never in my life really counted carbs but I think it may be a good idea. Debbie I guess you are a couple of time zones ahead of me. I home schooled for a few years but my kids did go back to school and I now have 3 in university and one at home trying to figure out what he is doing (just working at the moment). sorry.....I am really blabbing here..........
Connie	posted 16-Sep-2008 9:29pm Babble away bronwyn! I often have to keep myself from telling all of you every (probably boring) detail of what is going on in my life! I hear your agony...that's what it is really. I never counted calories or carbs, didn't need to. What really did it for me, besides the whole NFNS principle, was my sisters very good advice. She said drink lot's (and I mean a lot) of water and stick to lean protein and veggies. Use portion size with your protein and jazz up your veggies. The only thing I was really careful with at first was chips, nuts and my cereal. I made the pumpkin dip and dipped all sorts of veggies in it. Honestly, I didn't care for the dip, but I did end up with a fridge full off cut up veggies. I just remember I was so disgusted with food! And I remember while I was doing a lot of water, I had to force myself to eat. The veggies and water filled me up so much I had no appetite. I'm home most everyday so running to tinkle was no problem. Give that a try. I enjoy water anyway, since my running days, so I always have some with me. Once a person gets used to sipping water all day long, they will never be without it. Seriously, everyone always teases me about my water bottle I carry around everywhere. I don't go anywhere without it. I fill it from the tap since I found out the hard way that bottled water does not have flouride in it. bronwyn, you can do this. Nobody on this site knows more about food than you do. You know what to eat when your hungry between meals. Whatever that is, drink a couple glasses of water with it. Then, an hour later, drink some more water. I always quit drinking around 6:30-7 so I wouldn't have my sleep interrupted. That's a joke, since I sleep terribly every night no matter what. I am not a woman of amazing dedication. I just knew that I had to put something in my stomach. I can not go hungry. I don't know how those models do it! I want to come to Canada someday and we can have lunch and smile at our svelte selves! Let's shoot for that. I believe my husband would be covering all of Canada so he can go anywhere. Wouldn't that be great? I think Canada is beautiful. I'll be looking at a map. Tomorrow is your day! Get to the store...buy ONLY what you can have and live your dream! (If you have to buy junk for family. make them hide it from you...my fam does that!)
Connie	posted 16-Sep-2008 9:38pm ok, I found Alberta. What city?
Connie	posted 16-Sep-2008 9:43pm OMG! I just found out that's where Banff is. My husband has always wanted to go skiing there. I don't ski, but I love beautiful scenery. I love mountains, hate beaches.
bronwyn	posted 16-Sep-2008 10:30pm You are not going to believe this but I live like 40 minutes from Banff....WOOHOO!!!
Connie	posted 17-Sep-2008 2:56am That is wonderful! I can say we will not make it for skiing season this year, at least that is a good guess. Husband, Jerry, is having oral surgery and he will probably be busy visiting his new territory on a tight schedule. But next year would be perfect. And the neat part is that this could be "the year" that we do this eating plan and meet as victors! Having been raised in MI I have visited Canada a few times. I went over the bridge and visited Toronto and Ottawa. That was in the late summer, early fall of 1979. I am very partial to the northern states in general and Canada is such a beautiful country. We both need to NFNS! As it goes right now, a year will fly by! Be strong today. Plan plan, plan! When I started NFNS I was prepared. And I think it's important that you have the best possible attitude you can. This WILL work for you, so be happy about it. I am happy for you.
Tres	posted 17-Sep-2008 8:48am Connie...what did you have for breakfast? I eat quaker multi oat (it has no sugar) every morning with a banana and 16oz of water....is that good or should I be eating something else? Your success has kind of made you our den mother.....LOL...I mean that in a good way..you have been very encouraging.
Debbie	posted 17-Sep-2008 9:01am What do you need to do to get into Canada from the US these days? I have never crossed the boarder but I would love to go someday.
Hilda	posted 17-Sep-2008 9:33am I think if we eat our 3 fruits a day it really satisfies the sweet tooth. I have half a banana every morning, and try to eat an apple every day. The third fruit varies.Peaches are good now. I had read to eat the fruit between meals (from another plan). I know there was a good reason, but I can't remember why.
Debbie	posted 17-Sep-2008 10:09am Hilda, I find if you eat a few Triscuits with fruit it really helps with your endurance. Also add a small amount of protein in the way of a couple nuts, or a bit of string cheese or a little natural peanut butter. I had the munchies so bad last night. I had a huge bowl of popcorn. I'm all puffed up from the salt today.
Connie	posted 17-Sep-2008 10:16am Breakfast has always been a snag for me. I have never ever been a breakfast eater. I start everyday with two cups of strong coffee and a healthy bit of half&half. I gave up artificial creamer and butter/margarine a couple of years ago. I use real butter, but sparingly. That is easy to do since I no longer eat toast, rolls, etc. So, on mornings when I think I will be expending more energy than normal, I have Uncle Sam's cereal. I add a small amount of protein to that, such as small amount of cashews or one egg. Then water, water! I do not eat processed meat except on some weekends I'll have a couple pieces of sugar free bacon. Then a late lunch. Then water, water! Next dinner. I do not eat dessert. Even sugar free one's. It is wasted calories and artificial ingredients just muck up the works digestively. If I snack between meals, a big no-no, but it happens now and then, I'll have celery with Laughing Cow Lite cheese. Something like that. If I am hungry before I go to bed, I'll have small amount of cashews or small amount of cereal. If I am hungry, I eat, but I always have water with it. The combination of water and veggies (fiber) is extremely filling. I must confess I am not a fruit eater. Sometimes, but not often, and then in small quantities. I have a super sensitive "tart" factor going on in my mouth. For the same reason, I do not eat anything with vinegar in it. That's just the way I am. I have always preferred veggies. And all fruit is not created equal. Some have a higher GI count than others. Banana's are a favorite of mine, but they have a high GI count, so I only eat half of one at a time. You can go on line to find out which fruit have a higher GI index. I know fruit is good for you, but I take a multi-vitamin everyday and for me, that's good enough. I do have 4 oz of NS added juice a couple of times a week. Remember when we were kids and we ate only when we wanted? And we were picky about what foods? I feel like that is the way to approach eating now. I just do not like fruit. But I try to work some in. Hilda, good question about getting into Canada. They may require a passport since 9/11. I'll have to look into that. Lordy, up all night with my tooth. bronwyn, don't wait to go to the dentist! I think my bite is off, I hope that's all it is. Much pain involved, so back to the dentist today. Woe is me.
Tres	posted 17-Sep-2008 10:21am Are grapes ok? Did any of you exercise when you had such great weight lose? I love triscuits. Also on the weekends I love to have a glass or two of wine (Merlot). I know that wine has sugar in it but will it really hurt you on this diet? How about a beer like Mic. Ultra? I love to have tricuits and cheese with wine on a Saturday night around the pool ( I live in FL). Any advice would be nice....
Debbie	posted 17-Sep-2008 10:30am You can have wine in moderation. And cheese! These are not forbidden, but light cheeses are recommended. Super treat for a Sat. night around the pool. Can I come? Beer is not mentioned in the book unless I missed it. I'll look again.
Debbie	posted 17-Sep-2008 10:39am I think ALL fruits and ALL veggies are ok, as is low fat dairy, low fat meats, nuts, beans,legumes and eggs. Just watch portions and read your labels and don't eat anything that says any kind of flour or sugar or those hidden sugar words like, corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup, glucose, sucros, honey, molasses, cane or beet sugar, maple syrup, brown rice syrup, evaporated cane juice. They can be pretty tricky in their wording.
Tres	posted 17-Sep-2008 10:40am Does anyone in this blog live in FL? Come on over Debbie.....I love entertaining around the pool. I do not have the book Debbie if you would not mind looking it up for me I would appreciate it. I like the Michelob Ultra. I also like the LaBatt Blue Bronwyn...that is a Canadian Beer right? My deceased husband was from Canada (Ontario)....he died from Lou Gahrig's Disease at the age of 42.
Tres	posted 17-Sep-2008 10:41am I read read read....it takes me forever to get through the store....LOL
Debbie	posted 17-Sep-2008 11:05am Tres, The labels get easier to read. I think I was in the store for 2 hours the first time I went to shop on this diet. I am sorry about your husband. That must have been terrible for you and him. I'd love to come to Florida but I'd need to get a second mortgage on my house to finace the gas. I live in Northern Indiana. (Notre Dame country to be exact)Still I'd love to come. OK, here is the only thing I can see that it says about Alcohol. "One's favorite alcohol may be consumed in moderation with this diet, but beware that all alchohol provides empty calories. Wine, especially red wine, has been in the news lately due to its recently discovered beneficial health effects when consumed in moderation."
Connie	posted 17-Sep-2008 11:24am I read about beer and dieting once, but I can't remember exactly how it was worded. Anyway, the gist was that the worst kind of carb for weight control comes from beer. It had to do with what kind of "sugar" it contained. I would avoid it completely. Maybe the exact wording will come to me. I'll let you know. I think wine in moderation is good for you. Remember, this eating plan is not low carb. On Atkins, high fat cheese, as much as you wanted, was permitted. On NFNS we need to watch how much fat we eat.
Connie	posted 17-Sep-2008 12:15pm I just browsed through some of the other diets on this web site. I've never looked at them before. There are some gross (cabbage soup diet), and extreme diets (drugs) on this site! NFNS is by far the healthiest, most satisfying eating plan on the whole page. Lucky us!
Connie	posted 17-Sep-2008 2:50pm I can't chew so I had soup, again! But this time I put a scoop of 2% cottage cheese. Yum! Also, does anyone know anything about pine nuts? They are supposed to be good for you.
param	posted 17-Sep-2008 3:13pm Hi there I have been on this diet from sept.7.but on this sunday (sept.14)I felt too much dizziness In my life this is first time.TODAY IT IS LESS DIZZINESS BUT NOT PROPER WELL. Doctor gave reason of food allergy I don't know this is due to splenda or oats But oats are not very new to me.If anybody'sknown is having such experience please let me help for this.I am on bed from for four days having medicine.I don't think this diet is going to help me in future for wt loss.
Hilda	posted 17-Sep-2008 3:16pm We have to manage our environments, minimize opportunities that promote needless snacking, overeating and bingeing.I like the idea of reducing exposure to junk food by eliminating it from your kitchen, car, office. I bet the kids love hiding the snacks from you. It sets a good example for them when you are providing healthy snacks.
Debbie	posted 17-Sep-2008 3:40pm Param, Sounds like an inner ear infection. I've never had any dizziness on this diet. I hope you get better soon. Deb
Anonymous	posted 17-Sep-2008 3:47pm Holy moly what a lot of activity here today. Tres I am so sorry to hear about your husband.....what an unkind disease that is. My Dad had a close friend who died of Lou Gahrig's disease....that would have been a very hard and difficult experience for you. I feel like a want to give you a hug Tres I don 't drink, not at all, so I am not all that familiar with the names of brands except Labatt's I am sure is brewed here in my area. The beer I am most familiar with though is "Canadian"....which has such fun and great ads.....check out "I am Canadian" on u-tube. Coming to Canada is the same as entering the States....just need a passport. If you don't have a passport it is a good thing to get.....because it takes a while to get one and then you are stuck if you don't have one and want to make an impromptu visit out of country. Connie maybe your beer info had something to do with a "beer belly".....that seems to sum up the reason to avoid beer for weight loss
bronwyn	posted 17-Sep-2008 3:50pm the above is me.....and Debbie I agree that Param's dizziness does sound like inner ear problems....had that a long time ago. I can't see any reason that NFNS would be the problem but artificial sweeteners could be suspected as well.
Tres	posted 17-Sep-2008 4:48pm I only drink a beer like once a month and it is usually one two maybe three so it would not be that hard to let it go but the wine is nice....thank you all for the info. Debbie - I am from IN....I used to live in Muncie and then Fishers before moving down to FL 13 years ago. I still visit my sister and her family every 6 months in Fishers. Small world. Thank you Debbie and Bronwyn for the kind words. It was very hard. We were only married for 3 years and he has been gone for 8 years. I have since remarried (4 years this year) and have a wonderful 11 year old step daughter. Broonwyn - LOL I don't have a beer belly and that is a good thing. Param's - it does sound like a deep inner ear infection. I get those and it causes your Equil Librium to get off. I don't get those from the diet and I eat splenda and drink diet coke.
Hilda	posted 17-Sep-2008 5:41pm Let's identify steps we can take to make sure we lose weight. 1) Remove junk food from our environment and therefore from our diet 2) Write down what I eat 3) Start moving! cleaning house, yard work, walking,exercising 4)Throw away or donate clothes that are too big 5)Reward myself with something other than food (movie, manicure, massage,candle, make-up,theatre, ball game 6)Start support group in our area for others interested in this lifestyle 7)Replace the old self-defeating thoughts with new positive statements: I am a health enthusiast. I will review my week and see where I need to improve. I will stick to this lifestyle a day at a time. The fitter I get, the more fun I have. I am learning new skills that will benefit me for a lifetime.
Hilda	posted 17-Sep-2008 5:47pm Started writing the above hours ago and got sidetracked by a handyman who came by to give an estimate on tree trimming from Hurrican Ike storms coming through Missouri. Walked away from the computer, started cooking my mom's dinner and when I came back I was surprised to see all the entries between. I was going to say "inner ear infection" was my guess too.
bronwyn	posted 17-Sep-2008 5:51pm Hilda that is excellent advise,,,,I don't know if you got it from Dr. Phil's book or not but it is good advise and I am going to consider it as "Hilda's words of wisdom" and try to implement the steps. At this point I am sorry I already did #4 when I lost #43 lbs. a while back....and now I need those clothes (just kidding I don't want them even though they would fit now). I think for #6 I consider this my support group.
Connie	posted 17-Sep-2008 6:00pm Tres, sorry to be late with my condolences. A good friend of mine lost a cousin to Lou Gahrig's. I remember her describing some of it. It was very hard on her family. Did you have children? I feel so out of it with this tooth! Hilda, I loved #7. I have a great sister that always tells herself "what if things go right"...instead of "what if things go wrong!" I love that. She says you have to work at it, but it does become habit. Positive thinking does not come natural for most of us. Take care everyone!
bronwyn	posted 17-Sep-2008 7:02pm Connie you should not be having trouble with a tooth that you had done yesterday....other than some sensitivity. If you are in bad shape and having pain I think you may have an abysses, I have had that before with a root canal and crown. It is unbelievably miserable.....is your jaw swollen. I insist on antibiotics before a root canal because I never want to go through an abysses again. I never want to take any medication so for me to insist on antibiotics is an indication as to how miserable I was with the experience.
Greg	posted 17-Sep-2008 7:16pm Hello Ladies, OK I'm trying another diet but this one is working. Remember the old weight watchers when you counted fruit and starch etc. Well I'm only limiting my starch to 7 per day (ladies get 5). Starch is what I over eat. So far so good I'm down to 197. Can also do this with NFNS.
Connie	posted 17-Sep-2008 7:35pm I know something is wrong. I have had to do root canals twice on the same tooth before. They think it may be that my bite is off and that combined with the sensitivity is what is going on. My bite is definitely off, but I think it may be more. The dentist was out today. I'll be there early tomorrow and we'll see what happens. I can hardly wait! I just want it numb again. I have been taking antibiotics since Monday. This is no way to try and lose weight, but I keep telling myself it is the one helpful thing about this. If I've lost a couple of lbs, I'll surely gain it back right away since I have no intention of eating soup a couple of times a day any longer than I have to. Talked to my husband today, he will be all over Canada. So, next winter a ski trip is feasible. It was rather funny today when I told him I was blogging and have met someone so near Banff. Lordy, you would have thought I was on a dating site! After I explained what site this and who is on it (Something I have done before!)he relaxed a lot. Ha! Gave him a jolt! Well, I have been a bum for 5 days now, doing only minimal stuff and it is really getting on my nerves. We have had gorgeous weather and I can't really enjoy it. At least I can open the windows and get some fresh air. Fall is my favorite time of year. Ike brought our temps down and some lovely overcast days. It also brought down lot's of tree branches, big and small. Our neighbors lost a couple of trees. Anyway, today I did get outside to pick branches up in the yard and achieved a small bit of exercise. But every time I bent over...ouch! All the blood rushing to my head irritated my tooth. Well, can you tell I'm bored out of my mind? Guess I'll tke my pain med and read awhile. You all are the greatest.
Connie	posted 17-Sep-2008 7:38pm Greg, I have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain. Good to hear from you.
param	posted 17-Sep-2008 10:16pm Yes, u people r right this is inner ear infection but the causes are 1.food allergy 2.excessive intake of salt 3.loud noises 4.stress and fatigue.Only no 1 and no4(less than 1 ) sounds for me.Its going to stay how long.Today itself I am feeeling dizziness.

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