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No Flour, No Sugar Diet
SummaryDr. Gott's No Flour, No Sugar Diet presents a simple, straight-forward way to lose weight and keep it off for a lifetime. All you need do is eliminate flour and sugar from your diet. DescriptionThis diet book contains common-sense techniques on how to eat better and achieve a healthier lifestyle. It gets you to focus on foods that are nutritional and satisfying. Thus, you can both lose weight and become healthier in the process. You can eat brown rice, lean meats, low-fat dairy products, fruits and vegetables. But, you have to stop eating foods like bagels, pasta, bread, cereal, white rice, cookies, sweets, and cakes. Many excellent recipes are included in the book with have no flour and sugar, yet taste delicious. The approach is to keep things simple by just eliminating flour and sugar, the two primary food ingredients that are causing the obesity problem in America. Our culture has become addicted to sweets. This book helps you break the addiction and get on track for eating healthier while losing that extra weight. HistoryDr. Gott is a medical columnist published in over 350 newspaper daily. He is a practicing physician with a general practice in Connecticut. He's also the director of medicine at Hotchkiss School (a prep-school). CriticismGiving up bread and sweets may simply be too hard for some people. Sugar is in a great majority of products sold today. While the diet sounds simple, implementing it and sticking to it is quiet a challenge. Tags: glycemic-index low-calorie low-carb low-fat no-sweets simple Related Diets: Cambridge Diet Cabbage Soup Diet No-S Diet South Beach Diet Fat Smash Diet |
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| Hilda | posted 2-May-2010 11:21am Connie, I was worried about you. Don't you live near Millington, Tn? Glad to hear you are ok. |
| Connie | posted 2-May-2010 5:16pm I do live in Millington. The flooding here is unreal! People (family mostly) from all over the place are calling to check on me. Our house sits on the highest side of town so we are fine. But so many peoples houses and cars are destroyed...it is such a mess. Many roads are closed and getting daughter to school tomorrow is going to be difficult. There is only one way out of town and everyone will be using it. MIL is having huge plumbing problems because of the rain and her septic system. That's a problem I wouldn't want to have! But the sun is out today. |
| Hilda | posted 2-May-2010 9:15pm I went to Qdoba yesterday and got their nutrition guide. Naked taco salad is 330 calories. Grilled chicken. black bean corn salsa,fat free picante ranch dressing and Pico de Gallo. Pulled pork is the leanest protein on the menu. They also have hand smashed guacamole. I am going to check out their chips, and if they have flour, I will take my own in a baggie in my purse. You CAN eat out with friends and still stay on NFNS. |
| Bronwyn | posted 3-May-2010 11:06am Connie I am so glad that you weren't affected by the flooding and sorry that so many were. Is everything pretty much cleaned up now or are there still roads closed. K10 I heard about that "chocking game" on a program recently. It is so sad. The family on the program had lost their son to the "game". They had no idea that he was into doing any of that. They were a close family and he wasn't a difficult child. Debbie have you heard anymore about your tests? My son has been taking Adderall for a few months now. We have seen a big change, I was just wishing we had tried it when he was still in high school because he may be more positive at this point of going back to school for further education. It was because of the changes we saw that I kept pushing you to get your son tested. |
| Debbie M. | posted 3-May-2010 11:37am Oh yes, I remember now about your son Bronwyn. Sorry I forgot. I think my brain fog is all part of this stupid peri-menopause I'm going throught.(I'm assuming its Peri-menopause) I'm bleeding for the 12th straight day in a row. At first it was spotty but it has been so very heavy for several days and I don't know if I should be getting concerned or not. My second round of mamos went good Doc looked while I waited. They are fine. Havent heard about any of the rest of the tests yet. 202.5 |
| Hilda | posted 3-May-2010 11:56am www.southbeachdiet.com/sbd/publicsite/recipes/mini-cocoa-swirl-cheesecake.aspx |
| Debbie M. | posted 3-May-2010 12:45pm off for more test |
| Connie | posted 3-May-2010 2:03pm Getting daughter to school for her final this morning was crazy. Many roads are still closed and traffic was bumper to bumper, going 15 MPH tops, all the way to Memphis. The water was just beyond the shoulders in most places. We drove past houses that were flooded, or water up to the front door. We had to cross several bridges, I wasn't crazy about that, but we left at 6:30 to make sure we would be on time. We arrived at 7:50. Tomorrow her final is in the afternoon. She thinks she might be up to driving, but I don't think so. She was out of the house for a total of 4 hours today and she was exhausted. Her ear infections and steroids make her feel loopy. But she thinks she did well on her final so I am happy about that. Good news on the mamo Debbie. I had a friend who bleed so much they put her on birth control. Bronwyn, how is your family friend doing in rehab? I think of him/her every once in awhile. Hope all is well there. |
| Debbie M. | posted 3-May-2010 2:50pm Well Connie, I had an endometrial biopsy and she put me on birth control pills. First time in my life I've taken birth control pills. lol I'm suppose to take 3 of them a day for 4 days, te one till they are gone. Hopefully this will set me right and I won't haveto continue them. I am NOT a fan of these pills. My husband is fixed so there is not a chance of conception on these pills. Something that happens frequently and then the body just expells the firtilized egg because the pill makes the uterous a hostile place for implantation. Most people don't know that about the pill. |
| Debbie M. | posted 3-May-2010 3:11pm I must add, ideally the pill is supposed to suppress ovulation but it doesn't always, especially with these mini pills that are out now. Sorry if I have offended anyone. |
| Debbie M. | posted 4-May-2010 8:41am I took a walk around the neighborhood this morning. Just once around the outside takes just over 30 minutes. I am going to have to cut way back on saturated fats. My fatty liver need to recover. From what I've read avoiding alchohol, eating a low fat high fiber diet and walking every day will reverse this condition, as long as I lose weight and maintain the loss. This has been the biggest wake up call I've ever had. I'm taking it very seriously. I can't keep abusing my body and expect it to take care of me. |
| Bronwyn | posted 4-May-2010 10:57am Connie my husband asked me this morning how my friend in Tennessee is doing with all of the flooding. He doesn't remember my "virtual" friends names but he remembers where you live  I am trying to get onto a alkaline juice (veggies especially green veggies) "feast"......they call it a feast but really that is a little bit of a stretch. Yesterday I juiced a bunch of cucumbers, lettuce, carrots (I know not green), some lemon and a little apple |
| Bronwyn | posted 4-May-2010 11:12am ...oops I was in the middle of a sentence....oh yes and celery. I had two rice protein shakes with almond milk and blueberries. Anyways I thought I would be starving but I wasn't too bad. I also tried to drink more water and put fresh lemon juice in it to make it more alkaline. I am just starting to read the book and I didn't do the feast right but, it was a step in the right direction. Debbie I am feeling like you.....fatty liver, osteoporosis .......take it seriously. You don't get some of this info from main stream Drs......in fact my Dr. gave me basically no info when he gave me my diagnosis. We have to study and search out things. All the reading I am doing is indicating that I need to be eating alkaline and I am trying. I am going to read up on a fatty liver....... |
| Debbie M. | posted 4-May-2010 12:17pm I need to stay away from saturated fats. How am I going to get my protein? I need to stay away from healthful fats too because it dosn't take much healthy fat to get what you need in a day. Maybe I should be making protein green smoothies. They said it was important to not crash diet because that was bad for the liver as well and can create gall stones. Who knew? only 1 to 2 pounds a week loss is what is recommended. WHat kind of protein powder do you buy Bronwyn. I assume its a powder. |
| Debbie M. | posted 4-May-2010 12:35pm My hemoglobin dropped 2 points from last week due to heavy bleeding. Now it 9.5. Should be 12. Now I have to take iron supplemets 2 times a day for a while. |
| Connie | posted 4-May-2010 1:38pm Debbie, did you watch the video on HFCS? I think I remember something about excess calories (carbs) ending up stored as fat. So ok, now you have some facts to work with. Keeping a daily journal of your calories is a must for you for awhile. You need to be eating lean proteins only, chicken, turkey, fish and low fat cheese on occasion. You can probably get a list on line. Alcohol is terrible for you at this point. Jeez, I wonder what my liver looks like? |
| Debbie M. | posted 4-May-2010 2:00pm I found some Whey Protein Powder at the store. Its Vanilla flavored with 2g of sugar and 25g of protein in each scoop at 140 calories. I tried it with 6 oz of water and it was really good. I put it in a water bottle with one of my hand mixer beaters and shook. Then I poured it into a cup with ice and drank it right down. It has all kinds of Typical Amino Acids too. Just counted 18 of them. WAIT a minute. I just noticed it has 70mg of cholesterol. What does that mean? I wanted the protein powder to get away from cholesterol. It says 1g saturated fat. Is this bad? There are other things like potassium, calcuim and Vit A that seem to be good. A few other things too. Help! |
| Debbie M. | posted 4-May-2010 2:06pm Comparing the potein powder to milk. I just looked on my 1% milk jug and saw 1.5 g saturated fat and 10 mg cholesterol. 12 sugars and 8g protein. 110 calories for 8 oz. So the protein has way less sugar but way more cholesterol and more clories. Even so, I was trying to replace meat products with the protein powder no nessesarily milk. What do you all think. Are there other protein powders better than this? How does it compare to your Bronwyn? I'm going to try it in a smoothy with frozen fruit next time. |
| Debbie M. | posted 4-May-2010 2:10pm yes, I watched it Connie |
| Debbie M. | posted 4-May-2010 2:19pm Cholesterol in Meat Cholesterol (mg) Pork, back ribs, lean & fat, roasted, 90g 10mg Beef rib, whole, lean without fat, roasted, 90g 67mg Beef, ground, 75 percent lean, patty, broiled, 90g 76mg Bologna, pork and beef, 56g 31mg Braunschweiger (a liver sausage), pork, 56g 88mg Pork, spare ribs, lean & fat, braised, 90g 102mg Pork, leg, lean & fat, roasted, 90g 80mg Pork, center loin chop, lean & fat, broiled, 90g 70mg Turkey, dark meat, roasted, 90g 70mg Turkey, ground, 1 patty, 80g 82mg Chicken, 1/2 breast, meat only, roasted 73mg Cholesterol in Chicken, thigh, meat & skin, fried 80mg Chicken, stewed, meat only, 1 cup 115mg Rump steak, lean & fat, broiled, 90g 75mg T-bone steak, lean & fat, broiled, 90g 70mg I'm confused. Is this the same cholestrol as the 0 g in the protein powder? I guess I don't see the benifit. Do you? So 90 g is like 3.17 oz. The first number in the chart is how much food and the second is how many mg of cholesterol it has. |
| Debbie M. | posted 4-May-2010 3:02pm Correction: I meant Is this the same cholestrol as the 70 g in the protein powder? |
| Bronwyn | posted 4-May-2010 6:28pm Debbie I use "Vega" protein powder in berry flavour. The protein is a brown rice protein and it doesn't have any cholesterol as I just checked. I will warn you that it is expensive but it is good and it has good stuff in it. I blend it with unsweetened almond milk and frozen blueberries plus 2 Tbsp. of fresh ground flax. It has all of the vitamins and so forth you need in it as well. I only use one scoop per drink and have 2 day.....2 scoops is considered a serving. I can't cut and paste so just google it if you are interested. My daughter and I had lunch at a funky little hole in the wall hippy restaurant.....it was so good. I had an el taco....which was on an Ezekial tortilla and filled with lots of shredded veggies and then a veggie salad......the flavour or every thing was excellent. Debbie I still need to read about "fatty liver"..... |
| Hilda | posted 5-May-2010 1:30am I went to Applebees and had their chicken portobello mushroom under 550 calorie meal and it was very good. It comes with roasted potatoes and broccoli. |
| Hilda | posted 5-May-2010 1:34am Grilled Dijon Chicken and Portobellos is the name of the entree. Under 550 calories at Applebees. |
| Bronwyn | posted 5-May-2010 11:41am Hilda I try to check things like that on line before I go out....it is helpful in figuring out what to pick from the menu, eh! Have you started to count calories? The weather must be crazy every where. We have snow and slippery roads  Where is everyone this morning? Debbie I read a little on the fatty liver. It sounds like diet is very important, losing weight is very important and not drinking any alcohol is very important. Like you stated it is important to not tax the liver by losing weight too rapidly.......not that I have ever found losing weight too rapidly to be a challenge The way to reduce cholesterol is to put more fibre into your diet by eating a more plant based diet. |
| Debbie M. | posted 5-May-2010 12:30pm I had a long post this AM but lost it. SNOW? I think we are past that now. Hilda, Would the food you had yesterday be enough to split into two meals? Or was it just enough? We will be camping for the first time this year and in our new to us camper. Taking off Friday. There is so much to do yet. 197 today |
| Debbie M. | posted 5-May-2010 5:09pm My family wanted fish and chicken from Long John Silver's tonight. I thought I might have a salad but I noticed they had grilled Salmon and veggies for lst than 350 calories. It was ok under the circumstances. I'm so happy with myself. I've had another successful day. |
| Debbie M. | posted 5-May-2010 5:25pm My girls are complaining of feeling overly full and bloated. I remember that feeling well as I did it to myself many times. |
| Hilda | posted 5-May-2010 9:13pm I am conscious of the fact of the number of calories it takes to maintain my current weight, and how many I should be eating if I want to get to 160 or 165 eventually. Right now I just want to get to 170. I want to be in a 14Petite straight skirt. I have several suits I need to wear and I can already wear the 16's. But I do not count the calories actually. It would probably be helpful. The Applebee's meal was very filling, but I wanted to eat it all. I did eat a lighter supper. The high fructose corn syrup info said that studies showed it was bad for the liver. |
| Debbie M. | posted 6-May-2010 12:55pm 198 today Shopping for camping food. I will try to make good choices. |
| Debbie M. | posted 6-May-2010 3:18pm Where is everyone? Out in the nice weather maybe? |
| Bronwyn | posted 6-May-2010 4:20pm I have been busy today......wedding stuff. I didn't have breakfast or lunch and then had a fibre 35 bar and now I am REALLY hungry. I need to go figure out what I can eat before I dive into something really bad........... Have a great time camping. Good job on the weight Debbie...definitely the right direction. Yes we have a lot of people missing in action here....hope things are going okay for everyone |
| Bear | posted 6-May-2010 8:20pm I'm still around, but not checking the site as often. My work is crazy, really, overly busy in a bad way. I dislike being the new girl, but so does everyone. Thank god for having a job, but I don't know how long I will have it. God willing. I'm still getting lots of veggies and protein, and few grains. I hope everyone is doing well! |
| Connie | posted 7-May-2010 2:00pm Hi gang. My allergies are in full misery! I'll check in later. |
| Debbie M. | posted 8-May-2010 10:10am A happy Mother's Day all you moms out there.(tomorrow) And to all of you who are not mothers, have a great day as well!! 200 |
| Debbie M. | posted 8-May-2010 10:14am "If My Nose Was Running Money" By Aaron Wilburnu on Youtube is 4 minutes of fun. |
| Connie | posted 9-May-2010 9:24am Morning all. Happy Mother's Day to all of us mothers...and for those that do some mothering to anyone! My sinus problem continues, just eased up a bit. I have no idea what I weight! I don't want to find out! This last week has been all over the place. I really, really need some down/alone time to catch up with my healthy eating. No time for planning or preparation. Woe is me. I'm going to try and get caught up today. That will make me feel much better. Great day all. |
| Bronwyn | posted 10-May-2010 7:11am Well it is now 5:08 and I have been sitting at the computer reading for most of the night. I actually haven't done that for a long time....I think I must have been sleeping better lately other than tonight I haven't been doing well with portions and I also have let sugar slip in on occasion. I keep saying this and not doing it but, I think I need to head back to W.W. and have that accountability. How was camping Debbie? Hey K10 how are you doing? |
| Debbie M. | posted 10-May-2010 7:46am We stayed home Friday due to storming but went on Sat. and had a quick 24 hour get away. It was lovely. THe furnice worked great and the kids had a very good time. I had some emotional swinging on Sunday and came home exhausted. But I'd go again if I could do it over. 199.5 today. That down 3.5 pounds in 3 weeks. |
| Debbie M. | posted 10-May-2010 10:55am I mean 2 weeks. |
| K10 | posted 10-May-2010 11:52am Hi Bronwyn I am doing fine. Looking forward to the end of July when our lease is up. Starting to go through things and getting rid of stuff. Stressing about finding a big enough house. I know we will. We fell into this one so we didn't have to deal with any of the looking last time. The hardest thing will be going from a bigger house to a smaller one and having to pay the same if not more. Good job Debbie. I am glad you had a nice trip. |
| Mary M | posted 10-May-2010 7:39pm Hi everyone, I'm new to this diet. Started for a couple of weeks and when I didn't lose anything for the 3rd week, I got depressed and pigged out :( Any words of motivation? Bronwyn - I've been reading many of your posts, even the ones dating back to 2008. How has this diet been for you? Mary marmoura81@hotmail.com |
| Mary M | posted 10-May-2010 7:47pm I should have also mentioned that I'm doing this diet for 2 reasons. 1) I need to lose 30 lbs 2) sugar triggers my headaches which I've suffered from for 3 years. I'm 28, female, 165 lbs with 30 lbs to lose. Mary |
| Bronwyn | posted 10-May-2010 9:07pm Mary,,,,, I would suggest that if you ate NFNS for 2 or 3 weeks and did not even see 1/2 to 1 lb. weight loss that you are eating too many calories. It is so easy to eat too many calories,,,,at least for me it is Truly Mary I am the wrong person to address here as the best that can be said for me.....and it may not even be that good.....is that I have been here a long time and had way too much to say. Lots of talk and no action! I actually have to cut myself a little slack as there has been periods of action. I don't sustain it for long enough periods of time to see success. All that self deprecating stuff being said.....here is what I have found: eating NFNS helps to curb cravings. That doesn't mean I could safely assume I was "healed" of my sugar addiction,,,,because any thought that I could handle "just a little" has not been successful! The first two months I did NFNS I simply did that.....no counting or anything fancy, I just ate NfNS. In two months I had dropped 10 lbs.....slow but still exciting. It was at that point my weight stopped and as the months went by I became very sketchy with my adherence to the principles of NFNS. Flour and especially sugar (chocolate) started to slip into my diet. Not a lot at first.....I became overconfident and thought, "great I can maintain this weight and eat chocolate". There were 2 problems with that,,,,I had 50 more lbs. to lose, and as I started to eat sugar I ate more and more and more. Before you knew it I was back up 10 lbs. and now having to lose 60 lbs. The weight thing is such a hamster run for me.....i am up and down and never go any place. I am mad at myself today though.....I too easily lay aside my good eating plans for bad eating, and just go into downward and unhappy spirals.Read Connie's entries she is the Queen of NfNS weight loss.....the rest of us are just her humble and not quite as successful servants I should just speak for myself on that.....scratch that.....I am the only humble and unsuccessful servant.I keep wanting to lose 2 lbs. before I join weight watchers again.....how ridiculous is that. In stead I am gaining. I need to just get myself up and out to the WW centre, |
| Debbie M. | posted 10-May-2010 9:49pm Bronwyn, don't sell yourself short. You have a lot of good information. Just a guess but I think your only problem is eating more calories then you need. I am always in admiration of how healthful you eat. I eat too much too. Welcome Mary. We'd love to share in your journey. I know you can lose your 30 pounds. |
| Debbie M. | posted 11-May-2010 2:20pm Happy TWO's day. |
| Dana | posted 11-May-2010 2:55pm Hi Mary -- and Everyone, I'm on and off this site lately but I do check in and you all continue to inspire me. Still sticking to NFNS and finding it an easy, great way to eat. Don't miss flour and sugar a bit. I spaced and ate some sweetened dried fruit the other a.m. and really didn't feel good afterwards. Knew immediately it was the sugar in it. I'm not losing that much weight, but it's still coming off very slowly -- especially when I add in some exercise. I started just before Valentine's Day and am down about 11 pounds. Wanted to encourage Mary to think about calories, too, and refer her to www.myfitnesspal.com. Someone here mentioned it a while ago and I started using it. It's so easy and really helps me control--or at least be aware of--my calorie intake. I rarely hit my goal of 1,200 per day, and don't care too much about that as long as I'm not way over, but I really like being able to track calories this way. Good luck! |
| Debbie M. | posted 11-May-2010 3:30pm Hi Dana! |
| K10 | posted 11-May-2010 3:49pm Hello Mary and Dana. When I was committed to NFNS I did well. I feel I ate too much, but I lost 20 pounds. I had also given up a Pepsi habit at the same time. I didn't replace the soda with diet, but I did drink 100% orange juice, probably too much of that. I have been off the wagon for quite some time now and I am not happy about it, but I am not doing anything about it either. I hope you will find success with NFNS. These ladies are great to talk to. |
| Mary M | posted 11-May-2010 5:43pm Bronwyn, Debbie, Dana, K10 - thank you for such a warm welcome! Don't be hard on yourself. I am here because of all your words of wisdom. I read many of your posts dating back a bit and even the most recent ones. I lost about 6 lbs in the first 2.5 weeks, but I got a discouraged when I didn't lose much in my third week. I agree with all of you about calories though. Come to think of it, even though I stuck to NFNS, I ate out quite a bit that week - so I may have not over eaten, but certainly didn't have a deficit of 3500 cals (1 lb weight loss) for the week. My question is then, if you STILL have to watch your calories, then why do NFNS at all? Why not eat within your calorie limit for the day but still eat whatever you want? I lost (my first) 40 lbs three years ago by capping my calories at 1500 a day. Now I want to lose another 30 lbs to get down to my ideal weight of 135lbs and I'm wondering if NFNS will get me there faster? If not, they does NFNS really make a difference? Mary |
| Debbie M. | posted 11-May-2010 6:18pm It all has to do with how sugar and refined flour affects your blood sugar. These things get into your blood stream so fast they raise your blood sugar quicly. YOur body reponds by putting out insulin and then the blood sugar drops again. these wild swings can cause cravings, dizziness, shakiness, moodiness and the like. By illiminating sugar and flour you are evening out your blood sugar and insulin responses. Theoretically this is suppose to help you eat less and crave less and boost energy. Dr. Gott's book does a great job of explaining all the scientific parts. All I know is that when I stick to it I feel very very good. PMS dissapears and I am better able to make wise food choices through out the day without those ravenous feelings of hunger. I too lost 20 pounds. I was amazing. Why did I stop? I have no idea. I do continue making much better choices but I need to reduce calories too. Portion control is so important. You girls will do great. Keep us posted. |
| Hilda | posted 11-May-2010 6:32pm Sugar is bad for you and so is white flour. I think that is the cornerstone of every healthy diet plan. Ezekiel bread tastes wonderful. I prefer the bread in the orange wrapper, and the English muffins. Most of us are getting older and trying to eat for our health as well as our weight, as we did not eat well in our younger years. You feel so much better when you give up the sugar and flour. It is totally worth it. I think we all regret when we succomb to eating something with sugar or flour. It never tastes as good as we thought it would be. But somehow we manage to forget that when temptation comes along. If you eat the fruits and vegetables you will be full and lose your cravings for sugar and flour. I am 3 pounds from my 170 goal. I am only 5'4" so that puts me in a 14 petite skirt or suit. I want to be in a 12. Being prepared is the key and taking food to work or on a trip in a cooler is so important. Grocery shopping can be a treasure hunt. It is fun to find foods you can eat that have no sugar or flour. You will learn to like things you have never tried before, like cottage cheese and tomatoes, or hummus, or rice cakes. Stick with this and be a good ambassador for this lifestyle when all your friends ask how you did it. |
| Hilda | posted 11-May-2010 6:33pm I tried Dill Havarti cheese for the first time today and loved it. Got it at Aldi's. |
| Connie | posted 11-May-2010 7:30pm Hello gang...my sisters in weight loss...my friends in the fight! I feel like I have been away forever. I've been busy and unorganized lately. Keeping up with "life" has been a challenge. Today I thought maybe I have a terrible disease...something undiagnosed that is sapping my energy and making me lazy. Then I opened the mail and my blood work results were in there. Guess what? I'm in great shape...everything looks wonderful, so I guess I'm just a bum! I had to laugh! Welcome Dana and Mary. I read through the recent posts and I learned a lot. Bronwyn and Debbie nd K10, you girls were answering questions. You know what to do...the problem here is the food we have been raised on is making us fat. We all ate it for years and years and it is going to take time to switch to NFNS. But take heart, you can teach a dog new tricks. I am as guilty as anyone when I comes to slipping and sliding. I am still up in my weight. But I know how to get back down. And I swear, if people would leave me alone I would get back down. Now doesn't that sound idiotic? I have to be able to stand on my own and stick with it. Maybe when we get past this could snap and it warms up again I will feel more like myself. |
| Connie | posted 11-May-2010 7:32pm Bronwyn, I wish you were here to help me read these darn results. It is confusing. Everything is normal, but they give a bunch of numbers and I'm inquisitive enough to try and learn more, but dense enough not to understand it. What a pain! |
| Connie | posted 11-May-2010 7:33pm I LOVE HAVARTI! |
| Bear | posted 11-May-2010 7:53pm I wanted to wish you guys a happy mother's day. Belated now. Lately I am all work and no play. This is okay, but it's been a tough transition, as one person there (direct supervisor) is not nice at all. Thank goodness she's only there 2 more weeks. Welcome newbies. I can't say enough about avoiding grains, corn, white potatoes, white rice and things of this nature. If you avoid these, and also high GI things, your weight will drop and your cravings will be gone. I've been good about the above, but sugar has crept in a bit. I really am focusing only on work now, and because weight is not an issue for me, I am allowing this. I hope everyone is well. |
| Bronwyn | posted 11-May-2010 8:02pm Connie can you go and read through them with your Dr. and ask questions. I go to the Dr. after the results are in and he goes through them with me. I have had a young girl (19) staying here for a few days. She is diabetic and essentially homeless. We stepped into an emergency situation with her and have helped to sort some things out for her. Anyways I witnessed a full scale eating disorder having her here. She probably struggled a little to find the foods she wanted to binge on but, binge she did nonetheless. In the middle of the night she must have eaten non-stop......food in large quantities just disappeared. There would be items there when we went to bed and they would be totally gone the next morning. Eating can have so much power over us.....she knows the consequence ith diabetes of eating like that and yet she does. I was amazed to see the control food had on her and yet, I don't really know why as I continue to eat too much, think of food too much and give in to treats too often. |
| Connie | posted 11-May-2010 8:56pm My heart goes out to your house guest Bronwyn. I always have to remind myself "not to eat at night." Most of the time I don't, but every once in awhile I will get on a kick where I get up every night, several times a night, and eat. Making that hard to do was a big reason why I lost so much weight. I have been night eating lately. It's stress. I am under a lot of stress right now and it shows up at night, then my days are shot as well. A vicious cycle. I'm not going to go back to the doc because everything was in normal range. She did draw a smiley face on the paper work, so I figure I'm good. Night dear ladies. |
| Debbie M. | posted 11-May-2010 11:02pm Bronwyn, You are doing God's work by taking in that young lady. Hilda, I want to weigh 170. G'nite. |
| Dana | posted 11-May-2010 11:05pm Mary, I've asked myself the same question, especially when I started tracking calories. But I find that when I stay NFNS I feel much better, I don't crave sweets and junk food, and I'm really never hungry because I can eat more. Going NFNS means eating more whole grains, fruits, nuts and vegetables, which are typically more filling and lower in calories than foods full of sugar and flour, which are empty calories. My husband is eating this way now, too, which makes it easier. He's lost 10 pounds already -- much faster than I did. |
| Mary M, | posted 12-May-2010 11:49am Hi ladies, Thanks for your opinions. It does make sense, especially about the cravings. I think this diet is more about how you feel and cravings. Yes, I do feel less hungry doing NFNS (and watching calories of course) then just watching calories alone. Glad to know you are ok CONNIE! You must have been so worried! A happy face is always a good sign. BEAR - when you say to eliminate "grains, corn, white potatoes, white rice and things of this nature" - wouldn't that result in an Atkins diet but with fruits? (and, I don't mean the unhealthy version of Atkins eating steak and bacon all day - I'm talking about "clean" atkins with lean protein and veggies, no sugar, no fruit, limited vegetable carbs) Your house guest is in my prayers, Bronwyn! You are a such an amazing person for taking her in! How are you all coping? Does she even know she has an ED? Dana - I'm glad this diet is making you feel better. It's great to have your husband's support as well! Question for ALL, are the following foods allowed on NFNS? I've checked the ingredients and there is NO flour or sugar in any of these: -popcorn -rice cakes -baked potatoes -brown rice -french fries Yes, I've read the book but I found that it isn't always consistent. Anyone else notice that? Thanks and talk soon... Mary |
| Debbie M. | posted 12-May-2010 2:16pm -Yes, -yes (but some flavored rice cakes have sugar), -yes, -yes and -yes. |
| Connie | posted 12-May-2010 4:01pm Doing good today foodwise. Tonight's dinner is going to have some bread involved so I am going to make something on the side for myself. I bought a pair of shorts that come to my knees. I love them, but they are too tight. I can get them on, but uncomfortable. I was going to take them back, but decided to see if I can eat smart and eventually wear them. I don't know if that is a good idea. |
| Bronwyn | posted 12-May-2010 5:16pm I have book club here tonight......why is my house in need of so much cleaning and of course the food.....oh yeah because I have procrastinated so long I am making pinto bean, rice and cashew salad, spinach salad, avocado and tomato bruschetta, gluten free breads (from a beautiful bakery), and whole grain coconut carrot cake cupcakes (not for me). We are drinking grapefruit Perrier (if you haven't tried that do it is so yummy). Yikes......I love book club but actually hate the stress when it is at my house because I procrastinate......I have been told that Oprah is the show to watch today ..... all about weight loss apparently! Tell you more about the girl later........ hugs girls, b |
| K10 | posted 12-May-2010 5:22pm I hate that stress determines how I will eat. I hate that I give in to "comfort" foods or should I say, "makes me feel uncomfortable" foods. I hate that I am addicted to food. I hate that I am giving into my addiction. I am just a hater lately. I know I will get back on track soon. I can feel it. I want this move done and over with. My friend that I used to exercise with is looking forward to me moving back and so am I. It is so much easier to be committed with a friend. Hubby and I succeed and fail together. OK, I am done complaining. I will get back on track. |
| Debbie M. | posted 12-May-2010 5:39pm What book are you reading now? I feel ya K10. |
| Hilda | posted 12-May-2010 6:03pm I did not get to watch the whole Oprah show, but I am skeptical about anything she endorses now. Will try to catch the repeat tonight. |
| Bear | posted 12-May-2010 6:04pm We're here for you, K10. Bronwyn, what book are you reading for book club? Mary: I'm not as strict as I may sound. I guess I adhere to a modified "primal blueprint" (like paleo but more inclusive) plan... meaning that I avoid the foods I listed above. However, I do allow beans, lentils, all legumes, nuts and nut butters, unlimited vegetables and I don't restrict fruits too much. But, no dried fruit. I do also have quinoa and brown rice sometimes. It was difficult at first to incorporate so many veggies, so I just made myself. Spinach and artichokes are mainstays, as is salad in general. Sweet potatoes I also allow. Broccolini is really good, asparagus. Thing is, I don't limit my fats at all. I'll put cheese right on those foods. Initially I was not eating sugar at all and I noticed I got leaner quite quickly. I made sure to get good protein at every meal, unrestricted. |
| Hilda | posted 13-May-2010 9:47am It's so easy to make a salad with a hard boiled egg, some turkey, tomatoes, black olives, a little cheese. You get your protein and the variety is unlimited. Just be smart on the dressing. |
| Bronwyn | posted 13-May-2010 12:01pm Book club was really fun. We read "The Help". It is a fun group of women, I did watch oprah. She had on Geneen Roth talking about hew new book, I think it was called Women, Food and God. She is promoting a no diet approach to losing weight. I may read the book I don't know. I have read several books that promote similar ideas and I wasn't very successful at doing them. One of the books I read was called Thin Within I believe and I thought that Geneen's book sounded very much like that book. How are you al doing today. K10 try your best to eliminate bad foods and it will help you through this stressful time. |
| Debbie M. | posted 13-May-2010 1:38pm Smart shopping is the key. Whats not in the house can't be mindlessly eaten. I have reduced to 10 mgs of Cymbalta. The lower the dose I se he harder it is to level out. So, I've deciced to stay at this level for a while. I've been feeling a bit blue but I don't know if its because o the reduction or a combination of all the other junk I've been going through lately. My daughter and I made a green smoothy last night. It had greek yogurt, frozen bananas, strawberries, a huge handful of baby greens, a scoop of vanilla protein powder and mixed frozen fruit from the freezer. The color was just aweful but everyone in the house had at least a juice glass full and it tasted pretty good. Tomorrow a field trip to Amish Acres with my youngest. I went a couple years ago with my middle daughter is it will be a bit boring for me. The weather is promising to be sunny thought, thats nice. |
| Connie | posted 13-May-2010 3:32pm Hello all. I am not going to talk about what I ate last night. I am going to have to get militant about food again. I haven't weighed in so long. I did watch the exercise video last night. I can't wait to get started. It's just mat work, I'll have to do cardio as well. But I am feeling ready to try it. It will be weeks, or more, before I can get through the video. Just watching it made me sore! Our air conditioner went out yesterday. Husband is off to buy a new motor for it. It is hot and muggy and sticky right now. I am going to fix some rice and cottage cheese and tomato for dinner. My protein will be some ground beef. That's the plan! |
| Bronwyn | posted 13-May-2010 5:22pm Connie did you ever do that T-Tapp video? I can't remember you talking about it. I would like some of your opinions on dieting? I have been listening to some videos done by Geneen Roth. In the 80's I bought a book called Thin Within and never really did the program. AT that time I had a few lbs to lose but, from there I went on about a zillion different weight loss programs and gained a huge amount of weight "dieting". I think of this group and how long I have been here and how little progress I have made. I wonder just wonder about all of this talk about food....good/ bad and so forth and all the time I spent thinking about all of it and yet stay FAT. Anyone know what I mean> |
| Debbie M. | posted 13-May-2010 8:04pm Uh, yea! Crazy isn't it. I just saw something about Oprah stating she will never diet again. Do you ever think maybe if the pressure was off we would just drop the weight? Or would I gain a huge amount? The struggle continues....... |
| Connie | posted 13-May-2010 8:07pm My world is soooo much better. The house is cooled off, I got a shower and all my chores are done! I watched some of the TTapp, and I do plan on doing that one too. Now all I need is a place to do them. I am looking forward to it. Bronwyn, I don't know what to think about your post. I do know people who have not been successful dieting, I've been one of them. And I know people who have had success dieting, I've been one of them too. So, what makes the difference? For me, it always comes down to fewer calories over an extended period of time. As you know, I haven't exercised, it's been calories alone for me. If the diet you are on is not satisfying, it will be hard to sustain long term. Deprivation leads to overdoing. Literally losing ground and often, adding even more weight. The trick has to be to eat fewer calories, nutritionally rich calories so you can eat less and still feel good. Then it just takes time. So it has to be an eating plan that makes you feel good. Another thing I have learned is I need to stay out of the kitchen, keep meals simple and avoid snacking. It takes effort, lot's of effort on some days. But it is so worth it. |
| Hilda | posted 13-May-2010 11:54pm Also, avoid making desserts for other people. It is just too much temptation. If it is in the house, you will probably eat it. Buy healthy snacks for the kids. Instead to taking a cake to an event or in sympathy, take a salad or a fruit salad. |
| Hilda | posted 13-May-2010 11:55pm Has anyone seen Letter to Juliet? I want to go this weekend. |
| K10 | posted 14-May-2010 12:37am Sometimes I feel like I eat more when I decide to "diet". It is like it puts more pressure on me and I am more focused on food. I think we need to keep it in our heads that we are trying to eat well and make healthy decisions. I think that is what I need to concentrate on. I have a daughter going to prom tomorrow and right now she is having a melt down. I think it is because she is nervous. She tends to get that way when something big is coming up. On top of it all she slipped on the kitchen floor that I didn't tell her was wet, even though she walked passed the trashcans I used to block the kitchen and I walked passed her with the Swiffer wet and the wipes that go with it. Needless to say, her knee now hurts. I hope you all have a good day tomorrow. |
| K10 | posted 14-May-2010 11:49am Prom day. We soon will be off to get make-up and hair done. Put on that dress and take lots of pictures. Then the parent's are going to have their own fun time. |
| Bronwyn | posted 14-May-2010 1:12pm I have been thinking about dieting and non dieting options. It really is a head game in some ways. Anyway you look at it.....it comes down to calories and calories out. Even if you do a Geneeth Roth program you are only successful if you eat less. I think the guidelines she sets out (which are basically the same as any of the "diets don't work" approach) are really good though as they lead to more mindful eating. The steps are things like....only eat when you are actually bodily hungry, sit down at the table to eat, don't eat in front of the T.V., eat high quality foods that you like and on and on. It is common sense and it works either way as long as you are not eating over the calories you can eat and lose weight. Hope your daughter has a fun evening K10. I feel I do the same as you when I over think the diet thing. I did return to weight watchers this morning. I had not been since March 6th. I was only up 1.4 lbs. so I was thrilled. I am back to counting points. |
| Hilda | posted 14-May-2010 2:19pm AND the easiest way to watch the calories is still NO SUGAR, NO FLOUR! |
| Bronwyn | posted 14-May-2010 2:33pm Hilda when you say things, to me it always, sounds so harsh....maybe it is just communication on the computer. I think we all need to feel safe in expressing our feelings, fears, challenges and success'. I think everyone is definitely in agreement on sugar being a bad thing. |
| Bear | posted 14-May-2010 5:01pm I think the calories in calories out thing still reigns supreme... it's a matter of avoiding the things that cause us to overeat. We all know this. The other day I was making my lunch and thought "I need some filler," meaning rice or something. For some reason, this struck me in a more profound way than maybe makes sense.. :) I realized, actually no, I do not need filler. What veggies or protein can I put in here instead? So I did. It's tough to get out of the SAD frame of mind, where there is always a starch on the plate. Once I did, however, the weight came off. Either that or the inflammation went down and I looked leaner. Hope everyone has a great weekend. |
| Anonymous | posted 14-May-2010 6:06pm Hi Ladies, Connie - You said "If the diet you are on is not satisfying, it will be hard to sustain long term." This is SO TRUE! I read somewhere that someone asked his/her doctor "Which diet is the best?" and (s)he answered "The one that works!" K10 - "Sometimes I feel like I eat more when I decide to "diet". It is like it puts more pressure on me and I am more focused on food." I feel the same way when I diet because when you diet you think more about food (what you can't have), which makes you want it more... Hilda - You said "It is just too much temptation" - Agreed! Out of sight, out of mind :) Now everyone in my family eats fruit for dessert because they know I can't eat anything else. Bronwyn - I think Hilda means well and is just being enthusiastic when she uses CAPS. I do it all the time and people think I'm yelling at them :) You're right, though; sometimes tones can be misleading, but in fact, they are not. Hope you all enjoy the weekend! Mary |
| Connie | posted 14-May-2010 6:55pm That is funny about the "caps" being interpreted as yelling. My daughter always accuses me of yelling...but I tell her I'm just talking loud! I don't even realize when I'm doing it. Is it a "mom" thing? Always making a profound point when talking loud. I use caps too. Heck of a day! Made it to work and home and guess what...it's raining! This part of the state might just float away! I've been looking into getting an assoc degree in respiratory therapy. I really want to do it, but the thought of going back to school scares the bestink out of me! I haven't been in a classroom in 30 years. What little of the basics I knew, I forgot long ago. Anyone on here gone back to school as an adult? |
| Connie | posted 14-May-2010 7:00pm I should have added, I hate stayed NFNS all day! And Bronwyn, good job on the minuscule weight gain. And happy prom night K10. Bear, I may have to have some rice...without it I tend to find evil substitutions! |
| Connie | posted 14-May-2010 7:01pm OMG! I meant to say "have stayed" not "hate stayed"...a Freudian slip maybe! |
| Bear | posted 14-May-2010 7:35pm oooo Connie! Happy prom night, K10. It is so important not to feel deprived. When deprived, the mind fixates on what it can't have, like you guys have been saying, and wants it more. What has worked for me is not to restrict at all, just to eat until I'm satisfied, but to take out grains *almost* all of the time. This means I have something 2-3 times per week. Other than that I don't restrict fats at all or protein. However, lately I've been slipping with sugar like I mentioned. The primal blueprint allows small amounts of dark choc though.... >  ... |
| Bear | posted 14-May-2010 7:37pm Connie, I meant to say... definitely do go back to school. You can do it! I went back to school at 26. Maybe the best decision I ever made. |
| Hilda | posted 15-May-2010 12:17am Maybe I should have typed "and" ..... Don't you all think that this is the best way to watch calories? |
| Bronwyn | posted 15-May-2010 2:39am Connie go back to school. I wish I had done that. I always meant to get my Masters and I never did. Hey Bear you went back to school when you were 26.....that must not have been very long ago as I thought you were only about that age now....yes/no????? What did you study Bear? I am glad to be back on track. Hilda I think that no flour no sugar is a good way to cut calories and cravings.....you are right. Tell us about the prom K10. If I remember right Debbie is off camping......yeah for nice weather. so sleepy........ |
| Bear | posted 15-May-2010 8:38am Hilda, I think this is an excellent way to watch calories. However, when I did it my cravings were still there (might have been the fake sugar treats...) and I was overly obsessed with food. I thought that eliminating other foods would help, especially those that cause an insulin spike like white rice and potatoes. I'm still not convinced that "a calorie is a calorie" if one is eating those and other high GI foods. Protein simply takes more energy for the body to break down (and also squashes appetite), simpler carbs go straight to the liver and only increase hunger and cause the body to produce/retain fat, etc. There have been several articles lately in scientific american and the new york times and WSJ about how fat consumption is not connected to cholesterol levels, but grains are. The SAD was wrong the whole time, but it made food conglomerates and lobbyists quite a lot of money. Fats also keep you full and satisfied. Hey Bronwyn, I'm actually still in school. I graduate in 2012 with a phd in clinical psychology. My focus has been on medical psychology initially, then neuropsychology later on. I'm hoping to get the right internship and postdoc to continue in that direction... We'll see. It is lovely outside here today, I hope everyone is doing well. |
| Hilda | posted 15-May-2010 1:28pm What is the SAD? |
| Bear | posted 15-May-2010 2:18pm Standard American Diet. |
| Debbie M. | posted 15-May-2010 2:46pm No we didnt go camping this weekend but we are opening up the camper and setting everything up on the driveway to "camp" right there. We bought some paper lanterns to hang on the awning to have a camper birthday party for the one turning 12. We will bring the picnic table aroud from the back yard. Its going to be fun. That will all happen tomorrow. Son took the driving portion of his test to get his license. Next week he will take the written part and then have his Indiana drivers license. When he took Drivers Ed last summer, he found out they offer the driving test right there at the school. So when he goes to the DMV he will only have to take the written test. I have mixed emotions about it. A right of passage AND danger. |
| Debbie M. | posted 15-May-2010 5:36pm Do any of you cook with a cast iron skillet? I just got one from my neighbor who bought it at a garage sale. It was very unapealing. When we went camping last weekend we put it near the fire for hours and a lot of the junk burned off. Later my husband worked on it with an attachment on is drill to get the remaining gunk off. Currently I have put Canola oil on it and its baking upside down in the oven. I'll let it cool and then repeat. I'm looking forward to using it often. Tell me how you uses and clean yours. |
| Connie | posted 15-May-2010 10:39pm This is the first chance I've had to get on here today. It is raining again! I got caught in the downpour and am soaked. I had no idea it was going to rain. I went to the store and bought a few things. My NFNS is back on track. Feels so good. I am committed to being that way this whole week. I've got those bermuda shorts to squeeze into! Oh, and I got chewed out by a lady at a restaurant today. She didn't like my driving, so she went off on me. It struck me as very funny, which I told her, and that made her madder still. It was so weird. I really was so surprised by the whole thing. Part of me is glad I gave as good as I got. Really, she wasn't the only one having a bad day. Debbie, the party sounds like fun. Get lot's of pictures. |
| Bronwyn | posted 16-May-2010 5:19am Bear..wow I am impressed with your schooling....good for you. You will have so many different opportunities in your life for interesting work. You know as I have been studying about osteoporosis, one of the things I have been reading about is how harmful the SAD is for our bones. The thought is that we need to eat a more alkaline diet and that the SAD diet is very acidic. A alkaline diet would limit or exclude dairy, sugar, grains and meat. To be successful in improving the alkaline state of your body it is recommended to eat lots and lots of greens.....to juice greens and eat lots of green salads. I find all those advertisements on T.V. for Tums, Pepto Bismol, and so forth to be so disgusting. The suggestion is that we could and should continue to consume large volumes of acidic forming foods and then just take care of the stomach problems by consuming acid reduction meds.......no suggestion that we should deal with the problem by eliminating or reducing foods that cause us to have stomach disorders. Bear so the thing I am confused about is that the Paleo diet is very high in meat....wouldn't that cause our bodies to be too acidic? The Paleo is kind of a healthier version of Atkins then....is that right? It sounds like it is working well for you. I know you are not concerned about losing weight, did you ever have a concerns about your weight? I was wondering if you lost weight and were trying to maintain your weight loss. Connie we could use some of your rain. It is very dry here. I am sure you would be happy to send some our way. Did I tell you guys that I had found a blog that I found interesting. It is called the Alkaline Sisters. These two sisters live on Vancouver Island in B.C. They had various health concerns and decided to try an alkaline program to improve their health. They have been doing it for 18 months now and can not believe how their energy has improved, how they have lost weight, and just feel so incredible. They have listed a 3 day "Juice Feast" which I have been meaning to start for 2 or 3 weeks now and still haven't. They have eliminated sugar, grains, and eat very little meat. They drink a super greens powder formulated by Dr. Robert Young, juice veggies and eat lots of salads. I e-mailed one of them to ask a question and she immediately responded and asked me to call her. She was so interesting to talk to and had a wealth of knowledge and energy. |
| Bear | posted 16-May-2010 9:56am Good morning, Bronwyn. Morning all. The paleo diet is far too extreme for me. I'm sort of adhering to the 'primal blueprint,' a more lenient variation, which can be found if you google 'mark sisson blog.' Then I add things like beans, lentils, dairy, and probably more sweet potatoes and fruit then some people on there would allow. For some reason it's easy for me to avoid grains and potatoes. The primal blueprint allows brown rice a few times a week and dark chocolate. They also advocate an 80/20 rule, meaning that if you adhere to the blueprint 80%, the other 20% is wiggle room, allowing for parties, weddings, and other situations one cannot plan for. There is so much information on the site about nutrition, more than I could ever understand. He advocates a very heavy vegetable diet with lots - I mean, lots - of fat and then fish and meats as well. One needn't overdo the meat if that is distasteful. Grass-fed beef is emphasized because it contains healthier fats (than corn-fed beef or pork or chicken), bacon is great, as is fish. Overall, for me it just means avoiding grains and high GI foods. I'm actually just now re-committing to avoiding sugar again. Yesterday was more primal than not. So, I ate: bran cereal with almond milk and nuts and seeds. chicken dumplings with spinach. a snack of cashew butter (twice that day, so sweet!). then salad, chicken and broccoli with cheese and butter for dinner. small amount of fage yogurt with cocoa and stevia for dessert. One thing that makes this plan easier for me is the totally unrestricted fats. It's counter-intuitive, and a strange adjustment to add them. Also, the 80/20 rule makes no foods forbidden, which takes out the obsession for the most part, for me. Oh, and to answer your question Bronwyn. I am trying to maintain my weight, I'd also like to have more muscle (and less fat) than I do now. In the past I've been 15 or 22 lbs higher than I am now, mostly due to overeating baked goods, etc. and I felt truly awful. I have a small frame so it was a huge difference. Also, I have borderline high (though mostly good) cholesterol and colon cancer on both sides of my family. I also want to keep my immunity up by avoiding sugar and have no more cavities, as I don't have dental insurance. Then, maybe most importantly, I want more energy than I have right now. It feels wrong to be 30 years old and not have energy for much more than working full time. Sorry, long post. |
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