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Xenadrine RFA-1
SummaryXenadrine RFA-1 was a discontinued Ephedra-based diet pill. DescriptionXenadrine RFA-1 was one of the most popular brands of Ephedra-based diet pills. It's a stimulant that reduces your appetite and causes you to burn more calories as well. But, Ephedra was banned by the FDA after 2003. It was linked to many deaths. It causes your heart rate and blood pressure to go up. So, it can cause heart-attacks in people with weak hearts. Xenadrine RFA-1 is no longer available in the USA. HistoryXenadrine RFA-1 was made by Cytodyne Technologies. Since it was discontinued, they have put an Ephedra-free product on the market, Xenadrine EFX. CriticismEphedrine has been shown to have serious adverse effects, include hypertension (elevated blood pressure), palpitations (rapid heart rate), neurophathy (nerve damage), myopathy (muscle injury), psychosis, stroke, memory loss, heart rate irregularities, insomnia, nervousness, tremors, seizures, heart attacks, and death. Also, studies have shown that Ephedrine-based supplements only provide short-term weight loss. Tags: appetite-suppressant fat-burner pill stimulant supplements Related Diets: Stimerex Xenadrine EFX Nuphedragen Phentramine Phenhermine |
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| Brad | posted 11-Jul-2009 9:29pm wapowell, How are you coming along? Any positive/negative things to report? |
| wapowell | posted 12-Jul-2009 3:08pm @Brad Hi Brad. Things are coming along pretty well. I've dropped around 11 or 12 pounds since I started (maybe a month or so ago?). I'm pretty careful to make sure I'm taking in enough water and eating enough calories (I dipped too low on the caloric intake and felt really sick there for a while). I'm thinking I might continue for another 2 weeks then cycle off for a few weeks so my body doesn't get used to the RFA and HCL. How're you doing? Last I remember you were going to ditch the presription meds and go back to RFA. How's things so far? |
| Brad | posted 13-Jul-2009 12:28am Yeah I ditched the Phen completely. I finished off the bottle but don't see myself going back in for my refill. I started taking just the RFA-1 without any HCL. Every time I try to go to SNDOnline it seems to be down. I haven't gained any weight back, so that's a good thing haha. |
| wapowell | posted 13-Jul-2009 8:43am @Brad Yeah sndonline changed their domain for whatever reason. You can find them at energyreload.net if you're interested in getting back into the HCL. |
| Brad | posted 13-Jul-2009 4:14pm @wapowell Ahhh perfect! Thank you! :) |
| Brian | posted 14-Jul-2009 2:17pm What's the difference between Xenadrine RFA-1(new formula) and Xenadrine Ultra?? I went on the Xenadrine site and it shows Ultra...Thanks! |
| Bob | posted 14-Jul-2009 3:56pm wapowell has got it right. I ordered some HCl through them maybe 1 1/2 weeks ago and it showed up as usual. When i ordered sndonline.com took you straight to the new address though. |
| Anonymous | posted 15-Jul-2009 1:48am I dont know what you guys are talking about, i find the stuff in every drug store i visit. It sells for about 25 dollars a bottle |
| Champbear | posted 15-Jul-2009 4:17pm Hello, I've been on RFA-1 for 3 weeks now and i'm down to 265lbs, I lost a total of 23lbs I think I'll keep taking RFA-1 lol. I have not experienced any side afects as of yet, So far it's helping me loose the weight. |
| dreamangel | posted 16-Jul-2009 3:07am Champbear, Are you taking RFA-1 by itself? |
| Anonymous | posted 16-Jul-2009 9:42am dreamangel, Yes just RFA-1 but I'm also doing 40 min of cardeo a few times a week and on a good diet. Does anyone no enything about ACAI BERRY I hear it's good? |
| Champbear | posted 16-Jul-2009 9:44am dreamangel, Yes just RFA-1 but I'm also doing 40 min of cardeo a few times a week and on a good diet. Does anyone no enything about ACAI BERRY I hear it's good? oops didn't put my nickname lol. |
| dreamangel | posted 16-Jul-2009 3:02pm I just got my RFA-1 today! I'm going to take it with the primetene tabs. I really don't like that zenalean stuff. I tried taking it again just cuz I have it. But I did lose 6 lbs in a week. |
| Champbear | posted 18-Jul-2009 10:38am I find you always loose more weight the first couple weeks... A freind told me about ACAI BERRY and he says it works great, Then I hurd it was all over news and apparently it's big in hollywood i'm going to give it a try with RFA-1. |
| Brian | posted 18-Jul-2009 8:28pm Guess no one knows lol |
| Champbear | posted 19-Jul-2009 9:32am I guess not lol |
| anjel | posted 20-Jul-2009 5:03pm hi, I think I found a website who has the xenadrine rfa-1 cytodyne : www.takeherb.com and you enter the product name in "search" than you see it. |
| angel | posted 20-Jul-2009 5:13pm hi again, is there anyone who can call the company "takeherb.com" with the local phone number to see if they are still in business, because I tried to call from canada and they say no service at this phone number (international number) ----> Customer Service hours: 1-866-340-1848 Mon. to Fri. 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. (PST) thanx |
| Brad | posted 21-Jul-2009 12:11am Angel, I just called the number and it's a message saying that I called after hours (which is true). However, I HIGHLY doubt they are selling the original RFA-1 for several reasons. 1.) It would be extremely rare and they wouldn't be selling 120 caps for $27.99. Not just because of how rare it is, but when the original was legal the 120 cap bottle was over $60 (it's the one I used to buy). So they are selling it for half of the price? I doubt it. 2.) The original hasn't been manufactured by Cytodyne for several years. Cytodyne isn't even a company anymore. The name was bought out by the company that has placed the new RFA-1 onto the market. If they ARE selling the original formula, it is more than likely expired. I'm not sure what the half-life of RFA-1 is, but anything that is left is probably expired. I'm not trying to shoot down your hopes, just trying to give you the facts and to keep you from wasting your money to a possible scam. The biggest thing that should key you in to it not being legitimate is that it is 100% illegal to sell it. Do you really want to place your trust/money/health into a company that isn't concerned with the law? I would be beyond ecstatic if this was a legitimate source for the original RFA-1. You just gotta think about the reality and legitimacy of it. |
| dreamangel | posted 22-Jul-2009 5:58am Brad, how is your Xenadrine rfa and ephredrine? |
| Brad | posted 22-Jul-2009 9:47pm It's going good. I don't have any negatives to report. The weight loss has slowed quite a bit, but I'm okay with that. |
| Anonymous | posted 24-Jul-2009 10:53am I am shocked that everyone's mixing drugs that you're getting online with this product? Drugs are serious either way, but mixing them? Are there no concerns about this? I mean, not just short term side effects but LONG TERM. NO concerns at all? |
| Brad | posted 24-Jul-2009 9:29pm @Anonymous The mixture of RFA-1 and ephedrine HCL is no different from how the original RFA-1 used to be. Ephedrine has been used safely for thousands of years, and if you do your research you will see that the only reason why ephedrine was banned in diet products is purely based on politics (ie drug companies such as those that produce Phentermine would have no market and would lose billions of dollars). Since you have read through, what seems like, the majority of this thread you will have also read that the posts on here are simply user experience. Questions are asked and answers are given. It's as simple as that. |
| Anonymous | posted 25-Jul-2009 2:49pm Has anyone bought Xenadrine RFA-1 (box says Clinical Strength) but in the box is a product labeled Xenadine Ultra (bottle says Research STrength). Slightly different ingredients and directions in how to take (between box info and bottle info)?? I bought it at Target. |
| wapowell | posted 25-Jul-2009 3:58pm The bottle info doesn't match its box? The name on the bottle doesn't match its box either? I wouldn't really feel comfortable with that. |
| Anonymous | posted 25-Jul-2009 4:08pm Yes, it doesn't match at all! And I checked another box and same situation. Strange. Their tollfree number just says they're too busy to speak with you basically! I will return product and let the store know to pull the rest of them! Very odd. |
| Brad | posted 26-Jul-2009 11:45am Wow. I can't believe I didn't notice that!!! I just read the post saying that the bottle doesn't match the packaging and I just looked at the bottle I bought 5 days ago and the bottle says Xenadrine Ultra! I noticed a couple of days ago that the pills didn't say RFA-1 on them, but they are still the blue and white pills. I just figured they got cheap and stopped printing on the capsules. I have a feeling that this could turn into a law suit for false advertising. Bait and switch? I'm fairly certain that's illegal (at least here in California). With all of that being said, I have dropped an additional 5 pounds since I started taking this bottle so I am not going to complain. I still can't believe I didn't notice the bottle actually says "Ultra" and not "RFA-1". |
| Brad | posted 26-Jul-2009 11:50am Also, they smell different. The RFA-1's that I had been buying recently had a smell similar to cinnamon (at least to me). These Ultra pills don't smell unpleasant, but they don't smell sweet like the others. These ones smell like the multi vitamin Mega Men from GNC. Kind of an acidic/mineral smell. |
| Anonymous | posted 27-Jul-2009 12:05pm @ Brad I am confused....???....i thought the gov't and pharm companies are working together...as many people who want weight loss i would think they would put it out for all of us who are overweight....they would really make some money! |
| Brad | posted 27-Jul-2009 4:12pm In an ideal world that would be the case. The pharmaceutical industry is a MULTI billion dollar industry. There are quite a few weight loss pills that can only be had from going to a doctor and obtaining a prescription. They are controlled substances and can not be sold to anyone over the shelf like the original RFA-1. If the original RFA-1 was still around, why would someone go to a doctors office, sit through an exam, and then pay the price of the visit as well as the prescription when they could easily just go to a store and buy RFA-1? The original Hydroxycut and RFA-1 both worked better than anything that could be had by visiting a doctor. If enough money is pushed to the right people in congress, anything is possible. I'm sure you may think this is a conspiracy theory, but do some research on Ephedrine (it's SAFE history) and look into why it was really banned from weight loss products. There are HUNDREDS of medications that have far, far worse side effects than Ephedrine, but those are still legal. I wonder why that is... Last I checked, cigarettes and alcohol are more dangerous than ephedrine. |
| champbear | posted 28-Jul-2009 9:21am Well it's been almost a month now and i've lost 29 lbs, my weight loss has slowed down a bit but thats normal. My goal is to hit 190 lbs only 70 lbs to go. |
| ANGEL | posted 28-Jul-2009 3:37pm BRAD YOU ARE SO GOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDD MANNNNNNNNNNNNN. LOVE YA!!!!!!! |
| dreamangel | posted 31-Jul-2009 1:24am I've been taking Xenadrine for 2 weeks. first week with the primatene tabs then stopped them. but have not lost a pound. i've been really good about my diet. eating the activia yogart for breakfast and grape nuts for lunch and salads and a turkey sandwich for dinner I also do tae bo and at least 300 crunches a day. WHY? |
| Brad | posted 31-Jul-2009 11:14am @dreamangel It can take longer for others. Some people drop the weight immediately while others struggle. Its also easier for people with A LOT of weight to lose it quicker in the beginning opposed to someone who is only looking to lose 5-10lbs. Even when the original RFA-1 was out I remember reading about people saying that it just wasn't working for them. Everyones body reacts differently. |
| Mike G | posted 3-Aug-2009 6:45pm How many people die from cigarettes? Alcohol? So stupid. Ive always taken ephedra based pills and nothing happens. Overdue it like the idiots did and yea you probably would have a heart attack. |
| Anonymous | posted 3-Aug-2009 10:31pm Rashidi Wheeler is the one who brought the spotlight onto ephedra based supplements. He drank a supplement that contained ephedrine AND took RFA-1 prior to a rigorous workout during football practice. He collapsed and died. Look it up, information on it is really easy to find. Instead of blaming the substance, blame the user. It's unfortunate that someone lost their life, but it was their own fault. Do we blame alcohol and ban it when someone drives drunk and kills themselves along with everyone in a car that they collided into? I don't think so. I could go on and on about this so I am going to stop |
| Brad | posted 5-Aug-2009 3:38pm Update: I am going to try a new combination. I ordered a bottle of Pure Ma Huang to use with the new RFA-1 in place of the Ephedrine HCL. The HCL is supposed to be the same thing, but on the original ingredients of RFA-1, it said it used Ma Huang. We'll see how it goes. |
| Anonymous | posted 5-Aug-2009 4:34pm Hi everyone, I've just spent the last 2 hours looking through all the comments and needless to say it's been very helpful. Brad I have a question for you, and I'm asking you because you've done your research so you may know the answer... A couple days ago I came across sites for Bitter Orange - apparently when Ephedra was banned, companies began looking to this herb to act in the same way Ephedra had. I was reading an article from the NYTimes and described the usual "blah blah blah" its not safe bs because it reacts in the same way Ephedra does, BUT when mixed with caffeine actually shows results. Now the NYTimes seems to be a pretty reputable source... so does anyone have any feedback? Brad? |
| Brad | posted 5-Aug-2009 7:35pm @Anonymous I'm glad to hear that you have found this page useful. Regarding your question about Bitter Orange, I don't have too much information for you at the moment. I have seen this ingredient in a lot of weight loss products, but I've never heard of anything working as well as Ephedrine. The best advice I can give you right now is to research it through independent websites. The problem with large publications is they are typically biased towards one end or another. Look for user/non professional reviews. Those seem to provide real time results and the most accurate. Google "bitter orange weight loss" and see what you can come up with. I'll do some digging later tonight when I'm free. |
| Anonymous | posted 5-Aug-2009 9:26pm Hi Brad, Yeah, I did exactly what you said... and the only reviews I could find were some off of drugstore.com. They were somewhat helpful... but only a few commented, and I was hoping to read more people's feedback. If you find anything let me know, I'd be interested to read up on it some more. |
| Champbear | posted 8-Aug-2009 11:58am hello everyone :0) I just wanted to give you an update on my weight loss. It's been 6 weeks now and I've lost 45lbs so far everything is going great and I'm 2 months ahead of schedule. Only 61lbs to go... |
| Brad | posted 8-Aug-2009 1:33pm @ Champbear Congratulations!!! Those are some very incredible results! What are you using and are you exercising also? |
| Brad | posted 11-Aug-2009 10:19pm I got the pure Ma Huang tablets in the mail today. I haven't taken them yet, but what's really odd is they look EXACTLY like the RFA-1 pills. They are half white and half blue and are the exact same size. I'll update tomorrow with the effect. |
| Brad | posted 12-Aug-2009 2:14pm These are definitely intense. I consider myself someone who has a decent amount of experience with Ephedrine, but I have never experienced something this strong. I took 2 capsules this morning and they hit HARD within an hour. 20mg of Ma Huang feels like what I would imagine 40-50mg of HCL would be. It's too intense for me and I'm not taking anymore for today. I'll drop down to 1 a day tomorrow. If this isn't EXACTLY what was used in the original RFA-1, then I don't know what is. |
| Bella | posted 12-Aug-2009 4:04pm Hey Brad. My name is Bella and I have been following your blog for a while. Thanks for caring and helping people out. Where did you get your pure ma huang from? Thanks. Bella :o) |
| Brad | posted 12-Aug-2009 9:33pm @Bella This page is just as much yours as it is mine or anyone else's. I stumbled across this page about a year ago when I was trying to find a way to recreate the original RFA-1 and since then it has turned into what it is now. :) Honestly, I don't feel comfortably yet giving out the information on where to get the pure Ma Huang just yet. My experience with it today was not good in any way, shape or form. Since my last post this morning I actually have thrown up twice and went through a couple hours of being incredibly lethargic. I can't say for sure whether that was from the Ma Huang or not because a lot of people have been coming down with the flu lately and that's what I feel like I have right now. One of my coworkers was actually out of the office today because he has the flu. As soon as (if at all) I feel that I can recommend these tablets, I will release my source for them. All I can say right now is it's an online vendor and it wasn't hard to find. |
| Brad | posted 13-Aug-2009 2:30pm Day 2: so I've come to the conclusion that me being sick yesterday was due to taking 2 10mg Ma Huang capsules because today I feel fine. I only took 1 capsule this morning and it is plenty. I have a lot of energy. More than HCL has ever given me. My appetite is very supressed. Also, I am not combining this with the new RFA-1 yet. One negative that is still here today that I had yesterday is cold chills. It's hot outside and I'm kind of sweating even while in a room with AC, but I get cold chills that give me goosebumps. I'll update again tonight. |
| Bella | posted 13-Aug-2009 6:17pm Thanks Brad for the information, I appreciate it. I would be interested in possibly taking them if they turn out to work for you ~ I had been taking some Extremem Stack dietary supplements I purchased from fatsniper.com but they don't curb my appetite at all and I am really looking for something that will curb my appetite and give me that extra little boost. I work out for 30-45 minutes a day, depending on my energy level, and am doing well but just wanted a little extra boost. Thanks again to everyone on this blog ~ the information has really helped. :o) |
| Tracy | posted 14-Aug-2009 6:05pm Hi Brad ~ After spending all morning reading over the forum I'm thinking about buying HCL to add to the new RFA-1. I have not yet tried either one but am hoping this will help me toward my 20-25 pound weight loss goal. So I was wondering where in Northern CA did you see the doctor? I'm in Sacramento. |
| Brad | posted 14-Aug-2009 10:22pm Day 3: Today I took 1 10mg tab of Ma Huang in the morning and then another after lunch (around 1pm). I was completely able to handle it at this dosage spaced out over that time. So far I am very impressed with this stuff and I am starting to feel more and more confident in recommending it. I will give it a full week until I make my decision, but as of right now this stuff is it. There is no doubt in my mind. I am still not taking it with RFA-1 and am actually starting to wonder if RFA-1 is even needed. I have lost 3lbs in 3 days with this and only this (no exercise yet). I did get some cold chills again today, but less than yesterday and much less noticeable. @Bella It sounds like you have a very good regime already in place, and that's the hardest thing to do. Congratulations on that! If you are not used to stimulants like Ephedrine, I would be very careful on when (and if) you start to use them. Some people can be very sensitive to them and, as I'm sure you know, there have been deaths related to it in the past. Those deaths have typically happened during intense exercise and/or training, but the users also had much more in their system than is recommended. Just something to keep in mind. :) @Tracy haha I actually live in the greater Sacramento area (Roseville to be more specific). From my experience I would not recommend Phentermine at all. It caused some severe mood swings for me and the appetite suppression wore off almost completely within a week. If you still want to find my source on that, pick up a copy of the SNR and skim through the ads in the back. You will see an ad claiming weight loss for $80 a month. That's the one. Out of everything I have taken within the last year (HCL, Phentermine, and now pure Ma Huang), I feel that I have finally found what I have been looking for. For everyone, the bottle of Ma Huang I purchased online came out to a grand total of about $35 for 100 capsules. I opted for the UPS shipping method so that I could have a tracking number supplied. So the bottle itself I think was about $29.99 and the upgraded shipping was $5. It was shipped out the same day I ordered it and arrived exactly one week later. I was able to track it each day at UPS.com so it added a sense of security knowing that I wasn't being ripped off. Stay tuned for further updates and, more than likely, the source I used for the Ma Huang. |
| Dandy | posted 14-Aug-2009 10:31pm Thanks Brad I do appreciate the constant updates. I believe I would try the pure ma haung after your week of results also. Keep us updated, sounds like good stuff |
| Jen | posted 15-Aug-2009 12:21pm I have taken Rfa-1 for about 3 weeks now. I excercise daily for at least and hour, and I am on a well balanced diet. Instead of losing weight it seems I have gained about 10lbs since taking the pill. what am i doing wrong? |
| Brad | posted 15-Aug-2009 6:34pm @Dandy Not a problem at all. I know how frustrating it is trying to find "real" and detailed reviews and opinions on these products, so I'm glad I can help others with this. @Jen How many calories are you consuming in a day? If you eat too little (as far as caloric intake) you will not lose a single pound no matter how hard you exercise. If this is the case, look up Ketosis on Google. That will explain everything. Make sure you aren't eating after 6pm, but if you HAVE to have a snack later at night try a handful of natural almonds. I know it doesn't sound appealing, but they contain healthy fats and are good at curbing your appetite. Also, when you exercise you should try to get it in during the morning. I've read numerous times from dieticians that working out in the morning is the best time because it will kick start your metabolism early in the day. But I don't blame you if you don't (I exercise at night because I am not a morning person). Last, but not least, ALWAYS eat breakfast. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS! Even if you don't feel hungry, make sure you eat something to the equivalent of a bowl of Cheerios. Eating breakfast in the morning has been the biggest non supplement help I have found out. The goal is to get your metabolism into gear within the first hour of being awake. |
| asa1976 | posted 16-Aug-2009 2:02pm Hi everyone i just started my stack and xe and i only took one pill of e and one pill of xe. Do you think that is good? |
| Anonymous | posted 16-Aug-2009 6:50pm hey brad. hows it going with your new pills? will u b letting us know where you got them? hope its goin well for you. |
| Anonymous | posted 16-Aug-2009 7:04pm i read on google that the ban on ephedra was lifted in 2009. type it into google. still hard to find any legit products though. so many fakes on the market. |
| Brad | posted 17-Aug-2009 12:09am @ Both Anonymous posters Yes, I am feeling more and more confident with recommending the pure Ma Huang capsules. I don't want to jump the gun, though, so I am going to give it several more days to make sure. I also don't want people to think that this is going to build up to some super duper secret that gets revealed. There is nothing special about my source for the Ma Huang. I've mentioned before that it's just an online retailer that I found through Google. I just don't want to recommend something after having a horrible first day with it. And yes, the ban on Ephedra has been over ruled by a judge in Utah. However, there are still several stages that need to be cleared before manufacturers can start to sell products containing Ephedrine, Ephedra, or Ma Huang. Think of it along the same lines as how it's "legal" to grow and smoke marijuana in California if you have the proper identification, but it's not legal federally. It's the same reason why you continue to hear about people getting in trouble for smoking/growing in California from the FBI and DEA. My fingers are crossed very tightly in hopes of the ban being turned around federally and I really hope that Cytodyne (the original makers of RFA-1) will come back into the market. |
| Madeleine | posted 17-Aug-2009 8:19am hey guys. anyone heard anything about takeherb.com ? @Brad Brad are you taking caffine with your Pure Ma Huang? Id heard caffine helps, although that could be with ephedrine? Are you dieting also? Hows the weight loss going now? |
| Brad | posted 17-Aug-2009 11:06am @Madeleine Yes, I drink a cup of black coffee each morning and usually around lunch time as well. I'm not on a diet in the sense of it being a crash diet. The way I am eating now is how I plan to eat the rest of my life. It's just overall healthier (making sure I'm drinking enough water and eating more fruits and veggies in my day). I have completely cut out sodas and fast food. The weight loss is going well. I started at 220 and right now I am at 195. |
| Brad | posted 18-Aug-2009 12:19am Okay, so it hasn't been a full week, but I am confident in recommending the Ma Huang to others. I really, really need to stress some facts (that at least I've found by taking it). These capsules are VERY strong. I do NOT recommend these to people who are are sensitive to the Ephedrine HCL or especially caffeine. I almost wish that they came in half the dosage so that they could be more controlled as far as strength. I also want to reiterate that my experience does NOT mean you will have the same. These are just simply my opinions. I am not a doctor and I am not in any position to diagnose or treat any health related (including weight loss) issues. So with that being said, www.ephedraoutlet.com is where I purchased it. A 100ct bottle is $29.99. Please, everyone, be safe. :) |
| Keithy | posted 18-Aug-2009 6:54am product only says ephedra extract and says nothing about alkoliods. i thought they were meant to be the active part? |
| Madeleine | posted 18-Aug-2009 7:08am @ Brad Hey, do u feel these new pills r better than ur Ephedrine hcl, and new Xenadrine RFA-1 combo? How much have you lost since starting the pure Ma Huang? |
| Madeleine | posted 18-Aug-2009 7:26am @ Brad sorry for all the questions, but what does the back of the bottle say about plant content and alkaloids? does it say extract from leaves at all? thanks |
| Anonymous | posted 18-Aug-2009 8:26am There are a lot of different Pure Ma Haung bottles on that site. Do you get to choose which one you get? |
| champbear | posted 18-Aug-2009 9:48am Brad sorry it took so long to get back to you my comp has been down. With taking the new Xenadrine RFA-1 I'm on a very good diet weighing and measuring every thing I eat and drinking about 10 bottles of water a day. I've also cut salt and sugar out of my diet along with bacon, sausages and wings. I have 3 proteins, 3 fruits, 4 veggies, 1 starch and 2 fats per day, I try to exercising but it's hard I work all night then i'm up all day with my kids trying to get some sleep in the afternoon but I have been taking them swimming almost every day so that helps. |
| Bella | posted 18-Aug-2009 11:33am Hi all. Thanks Brad for the information and I am excited to hear you're doing well on the product and with your weight loss ~ I plan on getting a bottle and trying out the regimen with my workout and "diet" ~ I am also eating about 1100 calories daily, ensuring I eat breakfast, and have a balanced protein, veggie and fruit diet ~ my only "bad" item is coke zero, but at least it's not a "sugar" drink ~ I also ensure I drink at least 8 glasses of water daily, equating to about 60 ounces of water. Thanks again for all of the information and for being a sounding board for all of us "weight loss seekers" out there. :o) |
| Brad | posted 18-Aug-2009 4:04pm Wow! I can't believe there are this many responses! Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time right now to get into detail on a lot of your questions, but I will try to clear up 2 that seem to stand out the most. 1.) Search for EO45 at the website and it will pull up 1 result. That is what I ordered. It shows several different bottles and 2 (I think) different manufacturers. I wasn't given the choice to choose which bottle/maker I wanted, but the bottle I received is the 5th picture with the yellow background and white bottle made by Energy Nutrition. 2.) The exact ingredients are "Ephedra Sinica Extract (ariel parts), Dicaicium Phosphate (yielding 10 mg ephedra). Ma Huang as a whole is just a plant and there are several parts to it that yield different chemicals. Ephedra Sinica is where Ephedrine HCL is pulled from. So what you are actually getting is the whole compound and not just pharmaceutically extracted chemical. When referring to alkaloids, it's referring to what has been pulled from the Ephedra Sinica. Since nothing has been pulled you are getting TRUE Ephedra. I will come back later tonight when I have more time and try to go into each of your posts and answer/respond. |
| Brad | posted 18-Aug-2009 10:12pm Okay, I'm going to try and start from the top and work my way down. @Keithy I sort of answered this earlier, but the Ephedra Sinica plant has specific areas of it that produce different chemicals. Typically what's used is either the root or the leaves. Ephedra Sinica is known as Ma Huang in the chinese culture. It is also the main and most contributing ingredient that was used in the original RFA-1. Do a Google search for the original RFA-1 ingredients and you will see that Ephedra (short of Ephedra Sinica, also known as Ma Huang) was the main ingredient. So the short version is pure Ma Huang is much stronger than just the ephedrine alkaloids that can be extracted. Hopes this helps. :) @Madeleine I have no doubt that just the Ma Huang capsules alone work better than the HCL and new RFA-1 combined. I still have not stacked the new RFA-1 on top of the Ma Huang due to the Ma Huangs strength. I am not over exaggerating when I say that it is very strong. To date, I have lost about 5.5lbs by just using the Ma Huang. For the first couple of days I only took one in the morning before breakfast, but for the past several I have been adding in another around 1pm. Anything more than that and I feel that I would not be able to handle it. I have not changed my diet and I have not exercised since I have been taking it. @Anonymous I answered your question earlier. If you have any more, don't hesitate to ask. @Champbear No need to apologize. :) It sounds like you are on the right track. However, you may be able to loosen up on the strict diet. Just a little. The goal is to eat healthy, but to also to enjoy it. You want to be able to make it a lifelong change and it may be hard to do that if you're not eating anything that you truly enjoy. Just my two cents, though. The only thing that really stands out from your post is that you need to make sure you're getting a full 8 hours of rest each night. You're body wont run at it's best when it's tired. This is just assuming you may not be getting enough sleep. It's good to hear from you again. :) @Bella It sounds like you have all of your ducks in a row! Please, though, if you do decide to try the Ma Huang, make sure it is on a full stomach, do NOT add the RFA-1 at first (if ever), and please do not take more than one capsule. You are already on a great track and I hate to see you push yourself too hard. Remember, your health is the most important aspect of all of this. Please, please, please keep me updated if/when you take the Ma Huang. I hope that clears any questions up at the moment for everyone. If I missed something, let me know. :) And one last time, I want to stress the fact that the Ma Huang capsules are strong. Do not take them if you are sensitive to stimulants and please do not take more than one to start out with. I can't stress this enough for you guys. For those of you who have taken the HCL, you may have a better idea, but the Ma Huang knocked me on my butt the first day (I took 2 like an idiot) and that's coming from someone who was taking 32mg of the HCL per dose. Be safe and be smart. |
| Bella | posted 19-Aug-2009 12:26pm Awesome, thanks Brad. I ordered the Ma Huang yesterday and will be taking it by itself ~ I promise to only take one pill at day, at least for the first couple of weeks. I will keep you updated to my progress and let you know how my body reacts to the pills. I completely agree with you, safety is the first priority! :o) Thanks again for all your advise and support ~ it means a lot. :o) TTY Soon, Bella :o) |
| Madeleine | posted 19-Aug-2009 2:17pm anyone know any other sources of the pure ma huang? the site wont accept my debit card :( |
| champbear | posted 20-Aug-2009 10:58am Brad: A few years ago I was at 260 lbs then I went to Herbal Magic and got on one of there diets plans I lost 60 lbs in just 5 months and i went as low as 175 lbs so I know the diet works but I refuse to pay their prices again. I don`t think the diet is that strict lol, I eat 3 times a day and I eat a wide variety of food to tell you the truth when I`m on this diet I eat more food per day then ever befor it`s crazy. I start work at 5pm and I get home from work at dif times do to no set finish time, I work on a cross dock but I get about 5 to 6 hr of sleep per night and about 2hr in the afternoon befor work it`s the best I can do. And it's good to hear from you again to thanks. :) |
| Bella | posted 21-Aug-2009 12:53pm Hey Brad. I got the Ma Huang in yesterday and took one pill yesterday and one pill today. I am happy to report no adverse side affects ~ I have a ton of more energy though! Thanks for the recommendation. Bella :o) |
| Madeleine | posted 21-Aug-2009 1:08pm @ Brad howz the weight loss with the pure mahuang going? |
| Brad | posted 21-Aug-2009 4:04pm @Bella Which bottle arrived? Also, what do the capsules look like? Do you notice a significant boost in energy? @Madeleine Steady. Since taking it I have lost close to 7lbs from just the Ma Huang. It's about 1.5 weeks. |
| Keithy | posted 24-Aug-2009 5:17am Hows everyone with the pure ma huang capsules doing? |
| Bob | posted 24-Aug-2009 3:35pm I haven't stopped in here for a while so i figured i'd give an update. I stopped taking the rfa-1/hcl combo maybe 2 months ago. I was finding that i had become very tolerant of the combo so i decided to cycle off for a while. I was up to 3 rfa-1's and 3 hcl's per dose and i felt that was just way to much to be taking/spending money on. I've been working out on a regular basis doing the p90x routine. I'm 2 month sin so far and am certainly looking better. I've gained a few lbs since last time i chimed in at 187. I'm up to 190-192 depending on the day. I don't like that i've gone up in weight but muscle does weigh more than fat so i guess it'll have to do. I'm having a real hard time making a dent in the lower belly fat. I have on occasion taken 1-2 hcl's before a work out to get a really good sweat going but i don't plan on continuing that as it can make my heart feel like it's going to beat through my chest on a really strenuous and intense session. I ordered some of the Ma Huang today to give that a whirl. They said it already got shipped out this afternoon so hopefully i'll have something to report back in the near future. I've been using some supplements for the weight training and i'm not sure how i feel about mixing everything. I've been taking nitric oxide and creatine along with the work outs. I've got a few days to figure out what i'd like to do about that. I'll probably try the MH by itself to start then add in a bit of the other supplements to try . @ Brad I have to say if you weren't in here with all your helpful info i probably wouldn't have bothered coming back. Keep up the good work. |
| Bella | posted 25-Aug-2009 11:33am @ Brad Hi Brad. I didn't get the one that you got, and was kinda bummed ~ I got the Energy Nutrition dark blue bottle with the solid white capsules ~ I have noticed a boost in energy, somewhat significant, but it hasn't helped curb my appetite, unfortunately ~ I am up to 2 pills a day though and it does give me the energy to get through my workout and the busy days I have with working 2 jobs and finishing up Nursing School....so, THANK YOU again for the recommendation ~ Bella :o) |
| Bella | posted 25-Aug-2009 11:40am @ Brad ~ Just a side note, I mentioned I was up to 2 pills a day ~ this is the most I will take because safety is the utmost importance ~ and, the 2 pills are working great so no need to add anymore ~ if/when the 2 pills are no longer effective then I will go off of them for a couple of weeks to give my body a break. Bella :o) |
| Madeleine | posted 25-Aug-2009 2:24pm @ Bella, Glad your getting an energy boost from the ma huang. Have you had any weight loss? |
| Madeleine | posted 25-Aug-2009 3:02pm @ Brad Are you still having success with your weight loss? |
| Anonymous | posted 25-Aug-2009 3:34pm @ Bella You said you were up to two pills a day - do you take two together? Or one morning and one afternoon? I got the same bottle you did. |
| Brad | posted 25-Aug-2009 4:10pm @Bella I'm really interested if it's possible to order a specific bottle through email or possibly the phone. I'm slightly irritated also because if what you received isn't as potent as the ones I received then it makes my claims look bloated and also for my future orders I would like them to stay consistent. The strength of the ones I have (when I first started them) was to the point that holding my hands out in front me it was impossible to keep them from shaking. When I say a significant boost, I don't mean like a couple cups of coffee, I mean like a pot of coffee. The effects aren't as strong as they were so I am highly contemplating stacking the RFA-1 on top now also. @Madeleine Yes, things are still positive on my end, but like I just mentioned the effects seem to be tapering off slightly. It's expected though as the human body builds up a tolerance to any supplement over time. |
| Jen | posted 25-Aug-2009 11:35pm Hi all! I'm new here... just spent a couple hours reading back. Well, I just placed an order for Ma huang RP made by Sports One and now I'm thinking I may have order the wrong product. It seems that the one I ordered has 25mg of Ephedra Mahuang Extract from the leaves. Is it still effective or is that what some are calling the fake ephedrine? It was only $15 for a bottle of 100 and $6 for shipping so I guess if I did get the wrong thing it's not that big of deal. However I would like to get something that works! I just had my second baby and could really use some help losing the weight. |
| Brad | posted 26-Aug-2009 1:37am @Jen Where did you buy it from? |
| Bob | posted 26-Aug-2009 1:50pm Mine showed up in the mail today. It's the same dark blue bottle with the solid white caps that Bella got. |
| Bella | posted 26-Aug-2009 2:00pm @ Brad No I don't get the type of boost that you are experiencing, it is more like two to three cups of coffee boost ~ no hands shaking, no chills, and it hasn't taken the edge off of the hunger either. I am not sure if you can order that specific bottle but it sounds like there is a difference in whats inside of them ~ I ordered two bottles of them and got the solid blue bottle with the white label and solid white capsules inside. I think I am going to get the RFA-1 at Target and try adding a pill to each capsule, one capsule and one RFA-1 pill the first day and see if that helps kick it up a notch. @Madeleine Thanks! :o) I have lost one pound in a week on them and had hit a plateau so I am happy that it has given me an edge and, hopefully, pushed me over that plateau to start loosing again :o) @ Anonymous I have lost one pound so far taking the pills ~ have been on them about a week ~ I eat 1100 calories a day, drink 64 ounces of water, and do a half an hour of cardio a night ~ my body had adjusted to my routine and that is why I added the Ma Huang. I take one pill in the morning with breakfast and one in the middle of the afternoon with lunch. |
| Jen | posted 26-Aug-2009 4:31pm @ Brad I ordered them from bodybuilding.com. They shipped this morning so they should be here tomorrow. |
| Anonymous | posted 27-Aug-2009 4:34pm We still have it in Canada I'm taking it now...order it off a Canadian website! |
| Brad | posted 28-Aug-2009 10:00pm @Anonymous You still have what? |
| Jen | posted 30-Aug-2009 8:53pm Got my pills the other day and didn't notice any more energy. I usually take in a lot of caffiene everday so I'm not sure if that's why. I will try them for a week or two and see what happens. However it looks like I may need to get something else... |
| @Jen | posted 31-Aug-2009 3:29pm Can you post a link to the pills you ordered? My recommendation was for the site I posted on here, so I'm not sure what kind you got. |
| Brad | posted 31-Aug-2009 9:44pm Whoops. The above comment was from me. |
| dreamangel | posted 1-Sep-2009 3:55am I ordered Ma Huang from that web site ephedra.com and I clicked on the bottle described by brad. but when I checked my order it was a blue bottle. So. I emailed them why to explain why they are sending me something different from what I wanted. i am waiting for a reply. I'm curious of what they actually send me. I am just hoping it's what they sent brad. |
| bella | posted 1-Sep-2009 11:50am @ dreamangel Hi ~ Please let us know what their response is.....curious to see if they say they are the exact same.....I am still not really noticing any "drastic" difference....and, 2 pounds lost to date......which, don't get me wrong, I will take! Just wish it curbed my appetite :o) |
| Nikki | posted 1-Sep-2009 1:55pm Hello All, I'm new to this site and am very grateful for all your comments. @ Brad, I just ordered the Ma Huang pills you recommended. After reading the comments that some got a different bottle, I used the comments section on the order to see if they will send me the exact bottle you got. Crossing my fingers that I get the same bottle. I need to drop about 40lbs and I really want this to work. I'll update once I get the package to let you all know what came in the box...wish me luck  |
| bella | posted 1-Sep-2009 2:16pm Good luck Nikki ~ I hope you get the ones that Brad got. :o) |
| dreamangel | posted 1-Sep-2009 2:51pm They were quick to respond. They said it could take up to a week to get that specific bottle(white bottle with yellow label). But the ingredients are the same. It's just the labeling and bottle that changes. |
| Bob | posted 2-Sep-2009 7:25am Is it possible that the doses are different between the bottles? |
| Brad | posted 2-Sep-2009 4:22pm I'm kind of flustered here because I see that they are sending out different bottles, but are claiming they are all the same dose. The ones I'm taking a half white/half blue capsules that look EXACTLY like the new RFA-1. I still only take 1 and the effects have not weakened. It is a very significant boost (more than anything HCL has ever given me) and you would know, without a doubt, that your energy has been boosted and appetite suppressed. Tonight when I get home from work I will take pictures of the bottle I have as well as the pills. I will even include a piece of paper with some of your names on here in the photo just proof sake. I sincerely apologize to those of you who have ordered from the site I recommended but did not get the same boost I am. It's very disappointing. |
| bella | posted 2-Sep-2009 4:36pm @ Brad Hey Brad ~ No need to apologize, it would have been impossible for you to know that they would have been sending out different bottles/products~ the cool thing is that people now know so that they can specifically request the bottle/pills that you got. I am going to place another order and specifically get those and see if I react differently to those than to the ones that I got. I will let you all know once I get them in and try them. |
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