|Nikki||posted 2-Sep-2009 8:30pm|
Hello Again, I just recieved my bottle (boy were they quick to arrive, ordered yesterday, here today!). It isn't the white bottle, it's blue. The label is the same, but the pills are white. I will take them for a few days and let you all know how it works out! It has the same exact ingredient list that Brad listed earlier, so I'm pretty sure it's the same stuff. Can't wait to see results! I'll be in touch soon!
|dreamangel||posted 3-Sep-2009 3:37am|
They are very nice. They called and asked if i would prefer to wait for the bottle I requested. they said it would take up to two weeks. I work nights so i will call tommorrow and say i will wait. Lets see. : )
I'm from Orange County now live in Kentucky. I've gained about 40 pounds since my mom has seen me. She wants to visit soon and it will kill her to see how much i've let myself go. i'm not proud.
|Bob||posted 3-Sep-2009 7:31am|
The ones i got in the blue bottle definitely aren't as big as the rfa pills.
|Nikki||posted 3-Sep-2009 10:47am|
So I took 1 pill last night and 1 this morning. Not sure I am getting the "boost" I expected, but maybe I'm expecting too much. I will see how it does appetite-wise over the next week. As long as it curbs my appetite, I'll be happy. I'm 5'9 and 198lbs. I'll write back in a week and let you know if any of the weight dropped off.
|Brad||posted 7-Sep-2009 9:03pm|
How's everyone doing?
I have pictures of my bottle, pills and even one saying hello to some of you, but Diethound won't let me post links or photos on here. Does anyone have any idea of how I can get these to you guys?
|Preston||posted 8-Sep-2009 2:04am|
Wow! This website is the BEST I've found all day, and I've been researching ALL day! Brad, you are truly THE man. I have read every single post on this page, and your research and trials inspired me to give this a shot. My brother did it for a few months, and lost an INCREDIBLE amount of weight! Though, the setup I'm going to use is a bit different than yours. I'm going to try what my brother did (all purchased from CVS for around $22):
Bronkaid (Ephedrine sulfate 25mg)
NoDoz (caffeine 200mg)
Now, I know it's an ECA stack. I was wondering if this sulfate is going to work decently. I've seen some discrepancies with Ephedrine sulfate/sinica/viritus (sp?). I know the sinica is the real deal stuff that you can't get anymore. I think the sulfate doesn't contain the alkaloids. I read up a bit on the Kaizen, but I'm still unsure if it contains the alkaloids or not? I think you said months ago that it can contain the alkaloids because it's under 8mg (which makes it legal in Canada). Some clarification is needed, I guess is what I'm trying to say =) I will definitely keep you guys updated on the combination I'm using. I'm going to try doing 2 Bronks/1 NoDoz/1 aspirin once in the morning, and once in the afternoon to start. I'm so excited to see how this goes! Also, my stats: male, 6'3", 235-240lbs currently, looking to break below the 200 barrier just to see how I'd look =)
|bella||posted 8-Sep-2009 5:16pm|
Hi all. Oh boy, I am REALLY disappointed ~ I got my pills today and they sent out the same blue bottle instead of the white one ~ I had placed a second order and added a special instructions on there to have them send out the one that Brad got, but instead they mailed out the other one ~ I tried to call their customer service # to find out how to return these but they are only open 5 hours Monday through Friday ~ so I will give them a call tomorrow. I will update you all as to the outcome.
|Julie||posted 8-Sep-2009 7:27pm|
Thanks Everybody for all your insight.
I've read this entire strand and have decided to try the current Xenedrine RFA-1 even though we all know it is nothing like the original. I have not taken any
weightloss remedies of any kind in several months, if not a year, and I think my body may respond to it. I'm only looking to lose 12 lbs, and I'm satisfied with
the results the women on here are reporting.
I'll be making my purchase tomorrow and start taking it right away. I'll let ya know how it goes.
|Preston||posted 9-Sep-2009 1:38am|
First day of the ECA stack was a COMPLETE success! Not only was I full of energy mentally and physically, but I work in retail, and I sold the crap out of everything today! I had such a clear state of mind and focus on what I was doing, I literally sold what I wanted to whoever came in. Looking forward to the next week of stacking!
|Maria||posted 9-Sep-2009 1:39am|
Hi Everyone - I bought xenadrine rfa-1 yesterday and stumbled upon this website while researching before taking the product. I spent all of two hours reading the whole thread. Very insightful! Thanks everyone! Anyway, just wanted to give everyone some updates. Just thought it will help some people decide whether or not to try this product. I'm looking to loose about 10 lbs only. I'm 5'4 and weighed 130lbs...this morning anyway. I started on xenadrine today. No time for breakfast but had a nice lunch containing 260 calories (with 1 xenadrine pill). I was afraid of the headaches and the jittery so I dranked lots and lots of water throughout the day to dilute the pill. I came home, had a donut and a garden salad before running out to do some personal errands. Definitely curbed my cravings...I'm still feeling full and I only had one pill today.
Here are my results. This morning, I was 130lbs. Now, 14 hours later, I'm 128lbs. It's great!! I figure its just my water weight...but the number looks good to me!
|bella||posted 10-Sep-2009 1:59pm|
Hi all. I am happy to say that I called the customer service department and they have already mailed out the correct pills, the half blue half white. They also emailed me a paid UPS shipping label to send the wrong unopened pills back to them. They are extremely friendly and have been very helpful with the return process. Once I get the correct pills in I will try one and will let you all know if I still get the same reaction that I got for the solid white capsules.
|bella||posted 10-Sep-2009 7:20pm|
Hey Brad. I wonder if it will let you post them on this site? Have you tried to upload those picks to this site ~ I would love to see them.
How are you doing? Hows the weight loss going?
|Preston||posted 11-Sep-2009 1:21pm|
Well, I've been taking the Bronkaid/NoDoz/Aspirin for a few days now, and I've lost a total of 7.8 lbs! Mind you, 2 or 3 of those are from natural weight loss (before I started taking the ECA stack). I haven't even been doing much working out at all while stacking, so starting tonight, I'm going to get back on the workout regimine. I weigh 232.4 as of this morning, so we'll so how it looks in a week or so!
|bella||posted 11-Sep-2009 4:12pm|
Awesome Preston, great job!! Keep us in the loop as to how it goes once you start working out too! That is too cool.
|bella||posted 11-Sep-2009 4:15pm|
Hi all. I got the white bottled pure ma huang capsules in today. The pills inside are solid white capsules like the ones in the blue bottle. I took one today and plan on taking one tomorrow and Sunday and I will report back on Monday how I reacted to them ~ and if there is any difference then the blue bottle. I hope you all have a great weekend.
|Brad||posted 11-Sep-2009 4:20pm|
I stopped taking the Ma Huang for a about a week - week and a half because the strength does not seem to be letting up and I needed a break. It's very tiring (mentally) having so much energy every morning. I started again yesterday and have already dropped another 2lbs.
So you got the bottle I have, but the pills are white? I don't understand it.
Regarding posting pictures on here, I can't do it through these comments. When I try, it just refreshes the page and clears the comment box. There are 4 photos. 2 showing the bottle, 1 showing the pills next to quarter for size reference, and another saying hello to you.
|Preston||posted 12-Sep-2009 10:26am|
You're just taking the Ma Huang as of right now? Are you going to try it in a stack? When you take a pill, how long does the energy last you?
|Brad||posted 12-Sep-2009 12:24pm|
I tired the stack about a year ago. My first posts on this board were in regards to that. I was taking the 8mg Kazen Epehdrine HCL tabs (32mg's for each dose) along with NoDoze and asprin. A lot of people on here have tried that (I know Bella is one of them). It just wasn''t as strong as the original RFA-1 so I quit doing the ECA stack (along with several other people on here as well).
Since then I have tried several other combinations. The most recent is the pure Ma Huang. I haven't stacked it on top of the new RFA-1 due to who strong it is without anything else added on. I'm going to pick up a new bottle of the RFA-1 next week and slowly work that in as well.
The Ma Huang that I got kicks in about 20-30 minutes after taking 1 pill and it lasts for about 4 hours. It goes strong the whole time. It's almost to the point where it's too much which is why I stopped for a week.
|del||posted 12-Sep-2009 9:58pm|
I have been reading this site for hours. I too had great results with the original Xenadrine. I actually quit taking it just before it was banned. Believe it or not I actually threw out a bottle and a half!!!!! (I could kick my self for doing it now.) But at the time my cousin was one of the deaths that occured from an ephdrine over dose. I was real frightened at the time and tossed the bottles. Now knowing the truth of her misuse of the xenadrine (she was up to six pills a day and never discontinued them for 2 years straight!!!) and the warninigs from her PCP to stop taking them, I really wish I hadn't tossed out the bottles. I agree the the post earlier that if you take it the way it is intended and not abuse the pills then they should of never been banned...... Well anyway what I was getting at was I was debating whether to stack the RFA-1 with the HCL or just trying the Ma Haung ???
|dreamangel||posted 12-Sep-2009 11:21pm|
how much weight have you lost taking ma Huang? Total?
|Brad||posted 13-Sep-2009 1:49pm|
I am very sorry to hear that. Even though I am very supportive of legalizing the original RFA-1 formula and would defend it in most situations, taking 6 pills a day was not an overdose. The recommended usage was 3 doses (each dose consisting of 2 pills) a day. However, the constant use over 2 years was probably a contributing factor. Regardless, I am sorry to hear about your loss.
I have lost "about" 10lbs. I say about because I haven't used a legitimate scale (the ones in a doctors office) in quite some time and my home scale I don't trust 100%.
|Maria||posted 14-Sep-2009 1:40am|
Hi all - I'm just taking the new xenadrine rfa-1 and nothing else. Just my update from my last post on Tuesday. As of today, I have lost an additional 3 lbs. So basically, the total lbs that I lost since beginning on Tuesday is 5 lbs in 5 days.
|bella||posted 14-Sep-2009 11:21am|
Yeah I got the same bottle you did but the pills are completely white, and the serial number are from the same batch as the blue bottle. So, they must be the exact same pill. Can you confirm that the ones you got in the white bottle were also from Energy Nutrition? Maybe I have confused the wrong manufacters.....well, I took the ones from the white bottle and got the same reaction....I definitely notice a boost in energy but it isn't the energy boost that you are getting. It could be that my body is just reacting differently to it....I am tempted to send you this other white unopened bottle just to see if you get that huge boost you are getting with your white bottle....either way, it has helped.....I lost another pound last week.....but, I just wish I could find something to add to curb or get rid of my unrelenting appetite, LOL.....thanks again Brad for everything :o)
|Brad||posted 14-Sep-2009 10:02pm|
I'm sorry that this has become such a hassle, my dear. It might be that your body is reacting to it differently, but I find that hard to believe in this situation as I am not a person sensitive to stimulants (my use of stimulants in the past has extended far beyond diet pills and caffeine, but I was young and stupid as well) and these hit me very hard. Almost too hard still.
I think I figured out a way to link my pictures (indirectly). Go to photobucket.com and in the top right corner you will see a search bar. Click the part that says "images" and change it to "people". Then type in "bradhound" (without the quotes). 5 Pictures should pop up.
|Brad||posted 14-Sep-2009 10:03pm|
I apologize for the low res photos. My digital camera is broken so I only had my iPhone to take the pictures.
|Preston||posted 15-Sep-2009 12:07am|
From your experience, what would you say is the max dosage one could take of the Ephedrine sulfate, to get the best results without harming yourself? I currently take 50mg of the Bronkaid (2 tablets) per stack (2 stacks per day), and I get decent results. I dropped 10lbs in a week in a half, and that was really not with any exercise. I posted the other day that I was going to try stacking with exercise, and well, I haven't gotten around to it yet =) Currently am 230lbs, though =) I'm thinking of picking up the pure Ma Huang tablets (the price isn't bad at all) and just taking one of those every 4 hours, but I'm not sure.
|Preston||posted 15-Sep-2009 12:59am|
Alright.. I gave in and bought the pure Ma Huang bottle. I requested the same one as you got, Brad, so I hope they get it right. If not, I'm still going to give whatever the send me a shot =) Until then, I've got to try working out with this stack I'm doing.
|Brad||posted 15-Sep-2009 11:07am|
I never took more than 32mg of Ephedrine HCL (hydrochloride) at a time. I wouldn't even recommend that much. I stopped the ECA stack because I wasn't see the results that I wanted.
I hate to say it, but I would hold off on the Ma Huang until the situation can be sorted out regarding others getting solid white pills and the ones I received are half white and half blue.
|bella||posted 15-Sep-2009 12:04pm|
Hi ~ thanks for the photo link, it totally worked! That is the exact same bottle I received but the pills I got are solid white, not half white and half blue. I did call the company back and they said that the pills have the identical product in them ~ same exact ingredients~ I know I will sound naive when I say this but I think I believe him ~ I was thinking of trying two pills to see what would happen but it clearly states on the bottle not to take more than one in a 24 hour period so I think I will curtail that idea ~ I have lost another pound, so they are working just not really curtailing my appetite. Thanks again for the pictures and the info. I will continue with the one pill daily until I stop losing weight and then see what I should do at that time (maybe add another one later in the day).
|Kyla||posted 16-Sep-2009 12:50am|
I am so excited to have found this blog! I have been researching xenadrine for awhile and decided I wanted to try it. Uunfortunately, I had been searching for it at local sotres and no one carried Xendrine RFA-1. The only Xenadrin available was Xenadrin Ultra Strength. I had looked everywhere and found nothing about it so I didn't try it. I ended up studying Hydroxycut and all the reviews looked good so I decided to try that. Boy am I disappointed. I was raised on coffee so my body is in no way sensitive to caffeine, but after the first couple days I began having nausea if I didn't eat soon enough. I was drinking lots of water which helped. One thing I was disappointed about was that I had a great energy boost the first time I took it. It was like a mental energy boost like my mind and body were itching for activity. I did an hour of cardio interval exercise after not doing ecxercise for months. I felt great. That was from one dose. Once I increased the dose to the recommended amount I did not feel any different. It was also disappointing that I have lost 10 lbs in 2 weeks before without diet pills, and the added hydroxycut is doing nothing. Let me tell you how dumb I feel for buying 2 cups of coffee and fruit! Every single ingredient is fruit and seed and then caffeine at the bottom!
I am also pleased to read about the ECA stack everyone has been trying. I did visit the website and I'm interested in purchasing them. I wanted to ask BRAD if you've ever tried any of hoodia diet pills they have on their site? I also wanted to ask you exactly what the dosage was for the RFA-1 Stack combination exactly. I know you take (2) RFA-1 but how many 8mg HCL tablets should I take with that? I mean for each dose. 24mg? Also, since 200mg wasn't picking me up can increase the dosage of caffeine or would I need to increase the HCL? Also one last question for the stack to work do you have to include aspirin and what does the aspirin do?
I appreciate all the information everyone has given and sorry for all the questions!
|Kyla||posted 16-Sep-2009 1:01am|
One more thing!
I know I just said that, but the Energy Reload site also sells a premade stack called thermogenesis. Do you know anything about that? I will do some research on this too!
|Brad||posted 16-Sep-2009 1:02am|
I have no doubt that they say it's the same exact thing. Each of the bottles they offer contain the same exact ingredients, but I'm still confused as to why I am the only one who received the blue and white pills. Something that I noticed today that I haven't really paid attention to in the past is the second dose in the afternoon is not nearly as strong as the morning dose. At time I even forget that I have taken the second dose where as with the first dose in the morning there is a constant reminder due to the effect it has. It's sort of weird.
I'm glad this forum has provided you with helpful information. Regarding the ECA stack, I don't personally recommend it anymore due to the overall cost of each element matched to the results. However, that does not mean that it doesn't work. It just wasn't what I personally was looking for. For any questions you have regarding the ECA stack I would highly recommend you go to Wikipedia and search "ECA". The page available on there answers every question you have in more detail than I could give.
As far as if I suggest you take a higher dose, my answer will always be no. You may very well be used to stimulants, just like me, but Ephedrine as a whole is much more potent than caffeine. If you do decide to try the ECA stack, please start out at the lowest dose suggested (8mg of the Kaizen per dose) and gradually work your way up to the desired effect.
At this point, if I was to recommend anything to you I would recommend the Ma Huang stacked with the RFA-1 (now also known as Ultra Strength). It is much, much less expensive and you should have better results.
|bella||posted 16-Sep-2009 2:00pm|
Thanks Brad for the info. I am going to go to Target and get me some of the RFA Ultra Strength and add one of those pills to the Ma Huang. Once I try that combination I will let you know how that goes.
How is your weight loss going? You mentioned that the afternoon pill doesn't work as well as the morning pill ~ that is very interesting. Let me know how you are doing as far as your weight loss and I will blog in a couple of days once I add that extra pill. Thanks againg for everything, I really appreciate it.
|Brad||posted 16-Sep-2009 11:31pm|
No thanks needed. :)
Weight loss is still going the same. It's about a pound every 1-3 days (not sure why it varies). The only reason that I can think as to why it's not as potent in the afternoon is because I'm already fully awake and into my day so it's not as much of a kickstart as the morning dose.
|bella||posted 17-Sep-2009 11:05am|
That completely makes sense ~ that is awesome that you're still loosing a pound every 3 days ~ cool ~ I will let you all know how it goes with adding the RFA, I plan on getting some this weekend. And, if you end up taking the solid white capsules please let us know if you have the same reaction that you're getting from the half white half blue.
|Preston||posted 17-Sep-2009 1:03pm|
I purchased the Ma Huang, and got the same color pills you did- half blue, half white. I specifically requested the bottle with the yellow label, made by Energy Nutrition. I love how you read the CAUTION label and it says "Not intended for use in weight loss". Haha. I'm going to take my first capsule right now- these things are horse pills, haha.
|bella||posted 17-Sep-2009 5:08pm|
@ Brad and Preston
What the heck?? I put that in the special instructions too but got the solid white capsules.....Preston, please let me know if you get a huge energy boost and appetite suppresant with those pills ~ If you do, I will give their customer service a call and place an order for those specific ones ~ thanks for the update.
|Brad||posted 17-Sep-2009 10:02pm|
Please do NOT take 2 of those at once. Always, always, ALWAYS start at a low dose and work your way up. I made the mistake of taking 2 at once the first day I received them and it ruined my whole day. I was completely lethargic mentally, but had so much energy that my body was shaking.
Please update ASAP!
|oompaloompa||posted 17-Sep-2009 11:33pm|
ok so I started off skimming this site for reviews or any insider info for the original RFA-1 (purchase possibilites and such) I have come to realize much to my dismay that there is not now, nor will there ever be another wonder pill like we had back in those good ol' days! I lost 80lbs in 2 months on the original!! those little capsules were the most beautiful thing I knew at that time, and i miss them like the lost of a good friend..lol. I have (like so many of you) tried various others that calim the same, claim different, look the same as the original right up to the same fonts on the bottles..even the new formulas....and I believe that I (from my hours upon hours of reading and research) can shed a little light for those of you that are stacking the ephedra and the new rfa...I have read that many of you still arent recieving NEARLY the same results as in our precious original...and they key ingredient that you are lacking in an effective enough dose (in your current stacks) is acetyl l-tyrosine....this is the binding part of the thermogenic @$$ kicking burn that we had before. This (from my research, now I cant recall exact texts so by all means research for yourself) anyway, this supplement significantly affects your thyroid...thus altering your OWN body's "furnace" AND it has also been linked to affecting (enhancing) your natural mood..(for us simple folks this equals a simple statement...if you feel better, you look better!) If any of you have paid any attention to your own feelings while on this weightloss journey, you should have noticed that if your confidence is up, your natural energy is up, that being said, the boost of the ephedra is the (much needed) initial kick in the pants to get you off the couch and up and smiling and taking on the wrold (even if not the gym!!..lol) so just some food for thought, I have seen several ppl on several sites that are doing this stacking (as you al are) and everywhere you look time and time again you find the "it's OK but just not the same" sentiment...it is MY personal belief that the key is definately the acetyl L- tyrosine, frmo what I can derive from my findings it is what accelerates your body's fat inferno...coupled WITH the ephedra and other supplements in the rfa formula! it does have some studies that find that it has some adverse side effects and is not in many of the lack luster underperforming flood of pills that we all pray will be the ticket....so look it up, seek it out, try it if you want...if I wasn't such a broke lil girl, I DEFINATELY WOULD BE STACKING!! RFA/MA HUANG/ACETYL L TYROSINE!!!!! i have literally tried about 40 different pils over about 15 yrs and nothing has worked like the original, so by process of elimnation and camparrison shopping I stumbled into that ONE key difference in original RFA-1 and all the other failures.....so tell me what you think...??????
|Brad||posted 18-Sep-2009 12:45am|
I have researched Tyrosine in the past, but from what I've found there are no definitive results as it all seems to be speculative regarding the help of losing weight. From what I remember it is mainly used for people who are detoxing and/or withdrawaling from cocaine. I could have my information on this mixed up, though.
|oompaloompa||posted 18-Sep-2009 8:30am|
well, as far as my "knowledge, my findings ARE basically all speculation...lol, but it's one I believe in! I probably wouldn't have even noticed the L tyrosine (or acetyl L tyrosine, which as I understand is tyrosine that is more readily absorbed?) however i was actually looking up hpothyroidism..and on various explinaions of this condition it explained the conversion of T3 to T4 (which is what "turns on" your metabolism) and it listed tyrosine as an imprtant amino acid for that conversion, many of those sites stated that tyrosine and iodine (ie kelp or bladderwrack) supplements could be a homeopathic solution to help boost one's own metabolism and kick in the T4 prodituction....just what I have seen, I dont want any one to think that I have actually been able to test this theory, nor am I a doc, so please understand, this is just things I've deduced from reading several things from different angles!! good luck to all!
|oompaloompa||posted 18-Sep-2009 8:36am|
wow, brad i hadn't seen anyhitng that listed it as a detox for cocaine!?! i have only seen it as used for metobolic enhancement, and for anxiety or depression...it lists that it does have side effects such as rapid heart rate, palpitations, hightened blood pressure (same effects as ehpedra) but from what I have read they did say that it also breaks down into dopamine, so maybe this is why it is used for dtox?
|Brad||posted 18-Sep-2009 11:09am|
edited 18-Sep-2009 11:10am
This is from fatburner.com:
"Because l-tyrosine is also a precursor to the thyroid hormone thyroxine (also known as T4) supplementation may have a positive effect on thyroid hormone levels which may contribute to an increased metabolic rate. Many supplement retailers use the fact that tyrosine is a T4 precursor to make claims about its fat burning prowess. Unfortunately, clinical data validating l-tyrosine's thyroid-and-metabolism boosting characteristics is in darn short supply.
Nonetheless, considering its effect on mood and mental acuity, it's not too surprising to find l-tyrosine included in many popular fat burners, and strength enhancement products targeted to body builders.
Unfortunately, most products simply do not contain enough l-tyrosine to have much effect -- for the most part its simply label dressing (for example, several of the above referenced studies used a dosage of 150 mg/kg of l-tyrosine. That means a 180 lbs (approx 81 kg) guy would need to take about 12,000 mg, or 12 grams to acheive a similar effect."
This is from Wikipedia:
"Tyrosine appears to be a successful addition to conventional treatment for cocaine abuse and withdrawal. It may be used in conjunction with other amino acids such as tryptophan. While evidence in the controlled clinical aspect is scarce there is much evidence from online accounts of people who have used Tyrosine either alone or combined with Vitamin B6 to combat post opiate withdrawal malaise to a great extent. Most have reported that an effective dosage was between 1500-4000mgs a day taking on an empty stomach and usually upon waking. Some individuals using tyrosine have also reported successful withdrawal from caffeine and nicotine."
"Since it is a precursor to substances like epinephrine, norepinephrine, and dopamine, L-tyrosine may be a good supplement choice for those trying to lose weight because, theoretically, it may help speed metabolism. However, it should only be considered for people who also suffer from symptoms such as fatigue and depression. There are no studies specifically showing that L-tyrosine helps to promote weight loss.
|bettyt||posted 18-Sep-2009 11:49am|
I starting taking Xenadrine and 25 mg ephedrine with 200mg caffiene and 1 aspirin this morning and I feel like I am going to puke and very jittery. I ate before I took them but still feel sick 3 hours later....Am I taking too much? The ephedrine I have only comes in 25 mg pills. Any advice appreciated. Thanks
|bettyt||posted 18-Sep-2009 1:44pm|
BTW I am also taking 150 mg of wellbutrin 2 times a day....not sure if that makes a difference or not. 5 hours later and I still feel sick and tried to eat but that made me feel worse. Thinking about throwing up on purpose because I feel so bad.
|Noah's mom||posted 18-Sep-2009 3:35pm|
Hi all, I've been reading some of the comments on this page and was just wondering what some of you ladies would recommend me taking in order to lose the baby weight....I gained around 60 lbs while pregnant and I've lost 20lbs already, the rest just doesn't want to come off...I'm looking for a great diet pill, of course I know I'll have to work out as well...I'm looking for that added extra help...any suggestions would be great..thanks so much!
|Brad||posted 18-Sep-2009 3:36pm|
Where did you order your epehdrine from? You shouldn't be able to find it in doses larger than 8mg (legally). I would suggest you stop immediately if it is making you feel like this. I don't know what type of interactions your medication may have, but that's something you need to discuss with your doctor in detail.
|bettyt||posted 18-Sep-2009 3:45pm|
Thanks Brad....I looked up wellbutrin and ECA and some people had stated it was ok to mix the two. I dont think my GP would support taking ECA at all so I am not going to bother asking him. I got the Vasapro Ephedrine online. I cant remeber the store because I ordered it over a year ago. I didnt notice that I felt not that great after taking the Ephedrine and Caffiene then I waited about 1 hr and took the aspirin then thats when I really started to feel much worse so I am wondering if it was jus the aspirin? Do you think I could half the ephedra and try that with the caffiene? The Vasapro also has 200 mg of Guaifenesin.
|Preston||posted 18-Sep-2009 5:06pm|
I never took two at a time- I meant that I'd take one in the morning, and one in the evening. It's 5pm, and I just took my second one a half hour ago. Today is the first day I started taking the Ma Huang by itself, and it just doesn't seem to give me the energy that the ECA stack did- I suppose the lack of caffeine would be that factor. I still have not gotten off my butt and gone to the gym like I kept saying I would, haha. I intend to try.. perhaps tonight I will make the stand and finally go again =)
I don't think I quite got the same effect that Brad did, even having the same pills. My belief would be that I'm a bigger guy than Brad, so maybe I do need to step it up to 2 pills at a time. Kinda scared to try 2 at one time, though- haha.
This website is fantastic. I think this is one of the very few threads still alive on this product.
|Brad||posted 18-Sep-2009 6:03pm|
Maybe the Ma Huang really does just interact with me differently. I'm 5'11" and now weigh roughly 190 (I was 220 not too long ago). I seem to be the exact opposite in that 32mgs of HCL with 200mg Caffeine did absolutely nothing for me but just the Ma Huang and RFA-1 are almost too much.
|Brad||posted 18-Sep-2009 6:06pm|
It's interesting because I dated someone a while ago that had the same exact results you are and it was because she really never took any stimulants (with the rare exception of caffeine from Mountain Dew). The combination of caffeine and ephedrine were too much. You may be the same. The truth is that some people just can't process that much at once.
|bettyt||posted 18-Sep-2009 6:49pm|
I am thinking that may be it too because the only caffeine I drink is from one coke a day. I cant even drink coffee because it makes me sweat but I used to take Xenadrine when it was legal in 2002 and I never had any problems with that besides being a little jittery in the beginning. Maybe its more potent in the ECA stack? I may try to half the doesage or just buy the 8mg. What do you think?
|oompaloompa||posted 18-Sep-2009 8:18pm|
very interesting info brad! all that sonds familiar to some of the things i read, all except the withdrawal from cocaine or opiates part , of course...wow...good facts though...like i said it was only MY theory and not supported by anyone or any study :o)!! but is good to get another's take on it!!!
|Preston||posted 19-Sep-2009 10:20am|
Well, I just took the Ma Huang straight.. I didn't couple it with a NoDoz or aspirin.. I think I'll try that today and see if I get better results. I may not get the pickup because of no NoDoz. I'll keep you guys posted.
|bettyt||posted 19-Sep-2009 12:51pm|
This is what I read off of another weight loss forum: Wellbutrin is also a stimulant like ephedrine and when combined you will get 10x the effect of just ephedrine alone! So no wonder I was bouncing off the walls,sweating and ill. I think maybe if I took a low dosage of ephedrine it would work wonders for an appetite suppression and for energy. I certainltly didnt have an appetite yesterday and actually couldnt even force myself to eat until about 9pm and that was forced. The effects lasted 12 hours! I am going to try just wellbutrin 150 mg in the morning with 8 mg of ephedrine and see what happens then add more from there if needed.
|bella||posted 21-Sep-2009 2:38pm|
@ Brad & Preston
|bella||posted 21-Sep-2009 2:40pm|
Hey guys, I actually opened up a pill from each of the bottles I received and the powder inside looks completely different ~ One of the pills has a solid white powder in it and the other has a light brown powder in it ~ so I am now thinking that the products must, at the very least, have a different "filler", if not be completely different altogether.
|Preston||posted 21-Sep-2009 3:04pm|
The Ma Huang pills are just not seeming to give me anything.. I think I'm going to go back to the Bronkaid/NoDoz/Aspirin stack.. maybe in a week or two I'll try 2 Ma Huang pills in one stack.. but for now, I'm going back to what I know works- ECA stack all the way =)
|Brad||posted 22-Sep-2009 1:11am|
Just opened one of mine and it contains a light brown substance. I'm no chemist, but if I had to trust one or the other I would trust the brown one based on the claim that these are 100% pure Ma Huang and nothing from that plant would be white when ground up.
I'm still extremely confused how Preston has the "same" pills I do, but he doesn't feel anything at all. There's no way you wouldn't be able to notice these.
I really didn't want to bring up this comparison, but in my past I used to use cocaine a lot when I was younger (for a about 2 years when I was 23-24). It was never for weight loss (I had already lost all of the weight I wanted from the original RFA-1). I was just in a certain lifestyle at the time and traveling around the country a lot. Anyway, the feeling of cocaine after the euphoria wears off is about what these Ma Huang pills feel like. There is no euphoria, but a lot of energy and a mild anxious feeling.
|Preston||posted 22-Sep-2009 9:49am|
I opened one of my Ma Huang caplets, and also found the light brown powder. It sucks- I want to get the same effect that you're getting, Brad. I can't see how our bodies could differ that much, that you get a huge burst, and I get nothing..
|Anonymous||posted 22-Sep-2009 5:17pm|
@ Brad and Preston
Thanks for opening them up and seeing that they are different ~ I did find a pill that seems to work pretty good, it has a huge energy boost and kinda curbs the appetite, and I have lost 3 pounds in a week on it. A friend from work told me about it, she lost 60 pounds in 4 months on them, and I have tried them and will be giving them a shot. They are also in a clear capsule and contain a brown color powder inside, so it sounds like these might, at the very least, have the Ephedra in it that it claims. She purchased them from fatsniper.com and the product is called Extreme Stack. Have either of you heard about it?
|bella||posted 22-Sep-2009 9:03pm|
Sorry, that last post is from me, Bella. Thanks. :o)
|bella||posted 22-Sep-2009 9:09pm|
When you placed your order did you ask the operator for the white and blue capsules or did you just happen to get those ones? I would REALLY like to try those specific ones since Brad has had great success with them and I could really use the extra energy right now as I am trying to work 2 jobs and finish up school (I graduate on December 9th :o) And the other pills I am trying dont really curb my appetite.
|Preston||posted 23-Sep-2009 12:49am|
Yes, I specifically requested the "white and blue capsules, made by Energy Nutrition with the yellow label", and that is what I received. I have never heard of the Extreme Stack you mentioned. I just turned 21, 48 minutes ago- I wonder if these stacks mix well with alcohol =)
|Anonymous||posted 23-Sep-2009 11:03am|
Bronkaid (Ephedrine sulfate 25mg)
NoDoz (caffeine 200mg)
can you or brad explain me how to take it, is it save can it be mix with xenadrine thanks
|Brad||posted 23-Sep-2009 4:15pm|
If you're going to take an ECA stack, I wouldn't recommend combining it with any other supplement. Also, ephedrine sulfate is not the same as ephedrine hydrochloride. Ephedrine Hydrochloride is the type of ephedrine you want to use if making your own ECA stack.
As far as safety, there are risks associate with all supplements. If you are concerned, I would recommend you speak with a licensed physician since no one on here is a doctor and can give you answers other than what they have experienced for themselves.
|Anonymous||posted 23-Sep-2009 11:52pm|
How can I get Ephedrine Hydrochloride
|Brad||posted 24-Sep-2009 10:57am|
sndonline.net sells it. Look for the Kaizen brand.
|Anonymous||posted 25-Sep-2009 8:18am|
Preston how are doing? Are you still loosing wieght? Let us know
|Preston||posted 25-Sep-2009 9:36am|
I was doing great on losing weight, and then I stopped taking it about a week ago (start of my vacation). I just turned 21 on the 23rd, so I didn't want to mix the stacks with alcohol, haha. I'm going to start up again come Monday. The ECA stack works great for me! I would not recommend taking my version of the stack with Xenadrine, because from what I understand, Xenadrine is a stack all in itself. Probably not a good idea to be doing 2 different stacks at the same time =) Though, like I said- in my case, the Bronkaid/NoDoz/Aspirin stack works GREAT- and I haven't even stack whilst working out- I lost like 10lbs just taking the stack, drinking a protein shake in the morning (possibly with a sandwich, depending on how hungry I felt), and a 6-inch sub from Subway (usually a tuna or chicken with lots of veggies). That worked out great for me, so come Monday, I'm going back to it. I tried the Ma Huang capsules, but I just wasn't getting anything out of them. I would recommend trying the stack that I do- it costs a total of $22 at CVS for about a month's supply. Make sure you take some sort of protein with it though- made alot of difference from when I didn't take protein (besides, with all the processed foods, we don't get half the protein we need anymore). Like Brad said though, none of us are doctors, so it's all use-at-your-own-risk.
|Anonymous||posted 30-Sep-2009 4:05pm|
Preston why is important to take the protein shake. What diferences do you see now. Am doing the ECA stack but I don't see no results am not taking a shake protein may that's why! How are you doing keep us posted please.
|Anonymous||posted 1-Oct-2009 12:54pm|
Brad and Bell how's your weight loss goin let us know
|Anonymous||posted 1-Oct-2009 8:30pm|
Which ECA stack are you doing? How many capsules of each pill are you taking?
I use the protein shake because our bodies naturally don't get enough protein! With all these reprocessed foods and junk that we (as humans) eat, our bodies lack protein. The protein helps your body not to break down muscle when your metabolism is going, which is why it's recommended to eat before taking each stack. According to the FDA, your body needs between .5 to .7 grams of protein per pound of your desired weight. You do the math, and tell me if what you eat everyday comes remotely close to what you need =)
|Brad||posted 1-Oct-2009 10:30pm|
I have taken a break again from the Ma Haung (or anything else). I will start up again next Monday. When I do use it regularly I have constant weight loss and when I don't take it I stay at the same weight.
|Anonymous||posted 1-Oct-2009 10:39pm|
Preston am doing the same ECA stack your doing. Am just doing once a day.
|Anonymous||posted 1-Oct-2009 10:46pm|
Presto am taking 1 pill of each
|Bella||posted 2-Oct-2009 5:47pm|
I have also taken a break like Brad, I have been really bad lately ~ just haven't had time to concentrate on taking the pills or working out....I plan on getting back on it next Monday as well. I will let you all know how it is going with the Ma Huang.
|Kathleen||posted 3-Oct-2009 6:22pm|
I just bought Xenadrine RFA-1 clinical strength at GNC. I know a girl that lost 20 pounds on it in a little over a month with a sensible diet and being active. I know this new version doesn't have ephedra in it but I'm willing to give it a try. I'm looking to lose about 15-20 pounds. I HOPE this will give me the extra energy I need to do it. I'll keep you guys posted, although everyone is different and just because it works or fails doesn't mean it isn't a good product.
|runn3r||posted 4-Oct-2009 3:07pm|
Hi, I am a huge fan of the original xenedrine rfa-1 and was in absolutely incredible shape when I was taking it. I have been reading everyone's blogs for a long time. Question for Preston: I was taking Primatene tabs (25mg), caffeine (200mg), no aspirin (I was told it wasn't necessary), and didn't have the best results. Is Bronkaid better than Primatene? Is the aspirin necessary? Thanks so much!
|runn3r||posted 4-Oct-2009 3:12pm|
I think I'll call and order the Ma Haung Brad has been taking. If I do, I'll definitely let you know how it works for me.
|Preston||posted 5-Oct-2009 8:07pm|
I haven't the slightest clue about Primatene. I take 2 Bronkaids per stack (50mg total). The aspirin helps thin your blood to deter the effects of ephedra (high blood pressure). Just started stacking again yesterday, and already lost a pound.
|Anonymous||posted 5-Oct-2009 11:19pm|
Preston maybe you are just loosing water?
|dreamangel||posted 6-Oct-2009 3:56am|
It's been over a month since I ordered MaHuang. Still haven't recieved it. I even paid for the faster shipping. They charged my account. This sucks.
|Preston||posted 6-Oct-2009 10:32am|
I use ketosticks to measure whether or not I'm losing fat.
|Bread||posted 6-Oct-2009 10:55am|
Have you been following the tracking number you were given with the upgraded shipping?
|Brad||posted 6-Oct-2009 4:04pm|
Just noticed I spelled my name as bread. How embarrassing. haha
|Preston||posted 6-Oct-2009 7:39pm|
Haha, I love it, Brad. I still can't figure out why the hell your pills worked so well.. wanna send me a few of yours, and I'll send you a few of mine and see if they are different in some way? Running out of ideas here, Brad- help a brother out =)
|Anonymous||posted 7-Oct-2009 9:41am|
Preston why do you want to try the MaHuang pills if what you're doing (stack) works well on you?.
|Brad||posted 7-Oct-2009 4:06pm|
haha...it can get tricky sometimes when you type in a name that isn't your real one (I don't think that will be much of a shock to most of you). For what it's worth, it's very similar to my real one (no, it's not Bradley).
As much as I would like to have someone else try out the ones I have, I don't want to test the legality of sending a (technically) illegal product across state lines. You probably do have the same thing I do. I've come to the conclusion that since it is a 100% natural chemical that has had no processing done to it it probably has a higher chance of effecting everyone differently as opposed to something that has been pharmaceutically engineered (Ephedrine HCL).
|Preston||posted 7-Oct-2009 11:09pm|
Good point, I suppose. I just don't understand how two of them do nothing! The Bronkaid still raises my body temperature like crazy- I sweat my ass of at work in the air conditioning, haha. I'm still seeing great results, too, especially now that I'm hitting the gym every night after work.
|runn3r||posted 8-Oct-2009 3:09am|
Thanks. I was taking 1 primatine (25mg), so maybe that's why I wasn't getting the results. I'm going to try 50mg and hopefully will have better luck.
Does anyone know anything about "MaHuang RP" by Sports One? I came acrossed it when I was looking for the MaHuang by Enegery Nutrition.
|Koi||posted 8-Oct-2009 4:09am|
Gosh, like everyone else on here who is new, I love reading all your comments. I wish however some would keep up on their weight status as much as brad does.
Anyways, so i just order the new Xenadrine RFA-1. Still waiting for it in the mail (got it online for less and free shipping). I've never tried the original but I have tried the original Hydroxycut w/ephedra when I was 20. And I must say that it really worked. I lost a total of 15lbs in a couple weeks and kept it off for a long time. Then about 6 years ago (23 yrs old) I got comfortable and careless and ballooned to 198lbs. I'm 5'5". That winter I caught the flu and lost 10lbs immediately and began working out rigorously, on a low carb diet and lost a total of 40lbs in 4 weeks and plateaued between 150 and 160. That major weight loss was with no diet pills. I was just motivated not to hit the 200 mark on the scale and got a good jump start with the flu :)
and now, I'm 29 and it took me 6 years to regain the 40 lbs back :( and i'm having a hard time getting motivated to work out and exercise. I decided to order the pills regardless of it not having ephedra to see if it will work, with some some hard work and dedication. I will be turning 30 at the end of this December and I'd like to get down to around 140 by then as a birthday present to myself. That's a total of 60lbs to lose. I know the initial 10-15 will probably shed off pretty fast and once I reach my plateau I will have to change things up a little.
For anyone interested, I swear I will keep up with my post till my 30th. I will update when I receive my pills :)
|Preston||posted 8-Oct-2009 5:17am|
Welcome to the forum, man =) Hope to hear that you lose that weight! As far as keeping up on the weight status, I haven't exactly laid out what I am everyday, but I suppose for the record, here goes:
- Starting weight was 270.
- Lost 30 lbs naturally, through running and working out. Hit a plateau (more mentally than anything, I believe) once I hit 240, so then I began taking an ECA stack (refer to earlier posts to understand what an ECA stack is).
- Lost 10 lbs in about a week an a half, and then stopped taking the stack because I was on vacation for a week, so my regimen was on vacation as well.
- At the end of the week, I had gained about 7 lbs (yeah.. I drank ALOT. 21st birthday week!).
- Started stacking again on the 3rd of October, and have lost that 7 lbs as of this morning.
- Goal is to hit 199, just to say I weighed less than 200 lbs. I don't really have a solid weight goal, just whatever looks and feels good.
This time, while stacking, I've been hitting the gym every night after work. I believe it has contributed immensely to my regimine, so I'm sticking with it. I can notice my body looking alot better, and my chest and shoulders are starting to really get defined (chest was always my problem- always suffered from man boob syndrome)! I will continue updating my progress as the days and weeks pass. Good luck to you again, Koi!
|rurounisena||posted 9-Oct-2009 10:34am|
I just started the xenadrine rfa1 drink mix. It seems to be working well but I'm a little confused. Am I supposed to drink the whole bottle and then wait 30-60 min or start the 30-60 min timer when I start drinking it?
|Cat||posted 11-Oct-2009 10:50pm|
Hello all! I have 15lbs I cannot seem to lose even though I am working out 5 times a week and dieting (eating healthy - none of my favorites like pizza and ice-cream!) I loved the original Xenadrine RFA-1 and have not had much success with the new formula (without ephedrine). A search brought me to this site.
Brad, thank you so much for the link to pure ma huang. Alas, when I went to ephdraoutlet.com, I saw Energy Nutrition Pure Ma Huang pictured but I cannot choose it. I did a search for both Energy Nutrition and EO45, but the only product that comes up is by Sports One.
Has anyone bought the product made by Sports One? If so, what were your results?
|Jay-Rapid City South Dakota||posted 13-Oct-2009 11:35am|
I was going through my medicine cabinet because I knew I had some Xenadrine and it worked really well(12 pounds in 2 weeks)in the past for me. My only side affect was jitters after a few days until I started taking a multi-vitamin. Well they have an expiration date of 2003 but I remember seeing a thing on TV one time that said most meds last much much longer than their exp date. Do you guys know if this is the same with diet pills? Also, I was wiondering if it would be illegal to take these since I think they are the ones from before they were banned. They are RFA-1 from Cytodyne with Ma Huang(20 mg ephedrine) the capsule is clear with red writing RFA-1 on the left and Xenadrine on the right. The inside brownish powder.
|Jay-Rapid City South Dakota||posted 13-Oct-2009 11:37am|
PS, I also have some Lean Tabs by Fizogen but have never tried them. can I use them at the same time? Has anybody tried them at all?
|Brad||posted 13-Oct-2009 4:26pm|
Is it illegal to take them? Depends who you ask. I think everyone should have the right to do whatever they want with their own body (same scenario of forcing people to wear seatbelts in cars and wearing a helmet on a motorcycle). If it's only effecting you, do what you want. More specifically, it's illegal to buy or sell those. Ingesting them can be argued.
As far as them being expired, it all depends on what the half-life of the ingredients are. I really have no clue. If they are expired, they won't do anything. It's not like they grow in potency as they expire. So worst case scenario is it would have been the same as taking a sugar pill. If they still work, cherish them. Having a product that has been "extinct" for many years is of the same value as gold to some.
|babes||posted 15-Oct-2009 8:36pm|
Hi everyone!! Im new in this site, i read for few hours the comments here & im really happy to have this site wherein I could get info.. I went to GNC & they recoommend xenadrine for weight loose thats why i do my research, good that i got this site
@brad: im from canada, id like to ask you, if ill ask you what kind of diet would you recommend for me?? I am want to lose 15lbs, unfortunately, no chance of workout & my work is mostly not active. not because i want to, its simply because its the kind of job i have right now. do you think taking the xenadrin-rfa1 will loose weight?
|Brad||posted 16-Oct-2009 12:49am|
The new Xenadrine by itself may help a little, but without some for of exercise you probably will not get the results you are looking for. If you can just walk and a brisk pace for 30 minutes a day you will see results. As far as what kind of diet, this is different from person to person. The best way to find this out would be to see a dietician. You don't have to continue going, but just one or two visits for him/her to evaluate your BMI would be best. The rule of thumb to losing weight is you need to consume less calories each day than you burn. If you are not very active during the day then your body will not burn that many calories.
Have you considered stacking ephedrine HCL or Ma Huang on top of the Xenadrine?